Its interesting for sure. As Penguins fan I could live with this as the value given up for EK65.

These are all really bad for San Jose. Terrible return for EK65 at 50%.

A first round defenseman from last year, a first round selection from a few years back that has some NHL experience, a guy that is a hit or miss forward that use to be a threat who was also a top ten selection in his draft and a first in this draft? Seems like an awfully high amount of potential in return, with a young roster defenseman, a forward, a d-prospect and a first.

Unfortunately, EK65 has formally requested trade and has a full NMC. He dictates where he wants to go, and its his right to say you can only trade me to that team and not waive for anyone else. Therefore that severely handicaps the return you get for him. Considering this, that return is still decent for SJS given how little leverage they have.

If you want full rebuild give that 3C to Jack Drury. Sturm kicked butt for you guys this year, but no need to increase the role of an older guy just to give less minutes to a younger dude.

Thrun, Vlasic, Ferraro, Shakir, Knyzhov, Okhotiuk, Pulli, Cicek, (and now Stanley??). These are all NHL ready/near NHL ready Left D.
Literally 0 need for another left D and neither of those guys are going to be any better than the LD in our system. They're mediocre prospects/players. Granlund is a flat out cap dump. 50% retention is an instant no go unless there's 3 firsts + coming back.

Campbell has way too much term. That's 10.75 mil for 4 more years with his contract + EK retention.

Now you're shipping out Simek, a LD, for ANOTHER LD. Oh and giving up a 3rd in the process. I'd rather just bury Simek in the AHL than give up picks to get rid of him.

I would love for the Canes to make a play for Hertl, I’m just not sure how willing they would be to move Blake right now. He is still probably at least 3 years away from his NHL debut (depending on his college routing), but he has been developing very nicely. If Blake is the piece that brings this deal together, I wouldn’t hate it this move, and I’m pretty sure that the Canes probably take that. Does kind of seem like an underpayment though.

The Jets just keep the younger, better player.

Oilers say no. If we're dumping Campbell (Although we shouldn't) we aren't taking on a 4.7 million cap hit on. Would much rather Duclair or even Zadina coming back the other way if I had to choose

1) the Left Defense thing would be sorted out between the deadline and the end of the season. Simek would most likely be a waiver claim if you tried to bury him in the AHL so at least you get something in return here, he doesn't have much value and you would be getting a solid young defenseman back.

2) You are getting basically 3 firsts back (Holtz, Foote, and a 2024 first) granted you are not selecting Holtz and Foote but they are two very solid young forwards to get in return for that god awful contract.

3) The goal was to make the team younger and start building around a new core.

He said he'd go to any team that's a contender. Pitt and Carolina are jus the two teams MOST interested in him at the moment.
Grier can wait until the deadline when teams get desperate to deal him as well. He's under contract past this year so he does have leverage. And regardless Grier has said many many times he's willing to retain but not anywhere near 50%. 8 mil cap hit seems to be the absolute max. if you think you're getting EK at a 5.75 cap hit then that's the best contract in the league and you'll have to pay absurd amounts for that

LeBanc is the type of forward depth the oilers could use and you are getting rid of Campbell's Contract to bring in a player that would help you in the playoffs.

I think it costs WAY more for San Jose to eat 23 million of EK's salary over the next four years. Yikes.

Karlsson said he wants to go to a contender true that being said he still has a full NMC and can literally pick the team he wants to go to. Grier has zero leverage in that. Also, go ahead and play him this year and risk him getting hurt seems like a smart idea.

I don't think he will fetch as much as you think with the cap strain most teams are on, I think that return is actually pretty solid, Young defensemen under team control another first and a roster forward for cap dump. Seems about right

1. you're LOSING value giving up a 3rd to offload him and getting a very similar player in return. And none of those other LD are going to be moved. They're either young d-men they want to develop or unmovable contracts. Stanley is 25 and is worse than Simek. If Simek got claimed, great! that gets rid of some of the logjam and the cap hit.

2. That's not how that works. Just because they were selected in the first round in the past doesn't mean they are worth a first round now. Goldobin, Mueller, and Merkely were first rounders but they're not worth an NHL contract anymore

3. Yeah, bringing in a 25 year old whos worse than the 20-23 year olds who should be player and developing in their place. That's not very good youth development

These aren't good for the Sharks and they're already embracing a rebuild.

He's stated he's working close with Grier to get a deal done. If Greir can't get a deal done that makes sense than EK stays on the Sharks. I hardly think Pitt is EKs top destination. Old team with no young talent coming up that just missed the playoffs. If he's willing to go there then he'll be extatic to go to any of the other teams that actually were contenders the past 2-3 years

But as stated no other team is really interested nor can handle the cap hit either. So, choice are limited in his selections, but he still has the power.

Again why risk an often injured player playing and getting injured?

With that said to get max guaranteed value in what is already a difficult deal to construct San Jose is going to have to bend to get Karlsson his wish of being traded.

If they retain 50%, maybe. But Oilers are cap strapped as is. Bringing in Labanc full price (300k less then Campbell) we still gotta get a backup goalie AND resign Bouch + McLeod.

It's about term, Labanc is a pending UFA. Campbell is at that cap hit for another 4 years

To explain my thought process better:

You're saying the Sharks should get max value in what they want because Karlsson would go to any contending team, even if that team has said they are out because they do not want to pay to make the cap work.

In essence, you have Pittsburgh and Carolina.

Carolina is possibly just in to make sure Pittsburgh gives up a little more than what they would have to give if Carolina wasn't interested. Reasons: Carolina has Burns already and is reportedly pursing Tarasenko. If they sign Tarasenko any Karlsson trade is out as they wouldn't be able to fit it under the cap. Also, San Jose tried the Burns Karlsson before and it led to Burns requesting a trade...... so how's it going to work better in Carolina?

Also, to play devils advocate not saying its going to work great in Pittsburgh with Letang and Karlsson, but Letang is different from Burns so its possible it does.


Additionally, if San Jose doesn't move him and goes into this year with him and he gets hurt or is no where close to last years numbers the value plummets and its possible you get less than what Burns fetched in a deal.


Given this I think the return is actually decently fair

Yep. Pens accept this trade.

You aren't thinking this through. Edmonton doesn't have the cap space to make this trade even if they wanted to (they don't).

Nothing against the return but if you're asking SJ to eat $23million real dollars for a Norris trophy winner to play for someone else?!? Malpractise