I mean I see no world where Vladar doesn't get moved

Anderrson for two 2nds?
Very good deal, Conroy!!!!

Either he's wrong
Or all the people not being paid professionally on here are.
I wonder which it is ? lol

Toffoli hit 50+ points twice in 10 years both under Sutter and after he left he didnt hit 50+ again until Sutter and he re-united.
No one looks at Toffoli and says "Theres a 50+ point player" let alone considers him a 70+ point player cause he did it one.
I mean so did Max Domi, what his value in a trade at best so far since?

You got a younger guy who's a 35-45 point player for a player who over 8/10 NHL seasons is described the same way

It was a fine deal. Not the best, not the worst.

If Sharangovich takes a step, it will be a win for Calgary. It's a 31year old for a 25yr old.

2 years ago YEGOR scores more goals then TOFFOLI.... LOL he's faster younger and will be cheaper I guarantee most of his goals were not on the pp.

It's not like Sharangovich doesn't have any value. The most they would have gotten out of Toffoli pretty much is a 1st+3rd, not guaranteed.

Welp! Hate to break it to you but the Flames just traded Hanifin to the Leafs for Matt Murry and a second. Thanks Conroy

You belong in Twitter with the win column outrage. It’s a fine deal, Toffoli was the outlier last season

That was an overpay cause Sutter was there
I dont see a team doing that again

Even Hughes said he was given an offer he didnt expect and couldnt refuse.
He wasnt being shopped like 4-5 others its just CGY was having issues and BT tried to give Sutter pieces he knew he could win with.

We'd never get that return again for Toffoli from any other team
I mean i love him and want him back in MTL but i wouldnt trade for him
He's always going to have a higher Percieved Value then Actual Value because he's a world class player who loves being a man of the people or fans in this case.

That said i think CGY Fleeced NJD
I think the position that Shar jumps into at his age will elevate him to a level that Toffoli couldnt consistently maintain

I don't think anyone got fleeced, maybe in hindsight after a few years it might seem like such but in reality the trade makes sense for both sides.

As for Toffoli getting a 1st+3rd, I think with his production (assuming he kept it up) it would have been possible at the TDL depending on the other options.

Calgary will love Sharangovich. Don’t judge this trade early.

NJ will love Toff as well.

Good trade for both teams. There was almost no chance the Flames could get a 1st this year with how deep the draft is said to be. Flames got a good young player with potential, Devils get a playoff player. Let’s all relax and see how Sharangovich does.

Get out of here with your rational take, we have no room for anything but raaaaagggeee!!! I agree with you though, feels like an under utilized guy that is strong 5 on 5, teams new Toffoli wanted term and the Flames had no leverage in that deal.

Value is definitely fine. I think he has similar value to Dube eho I would have placed as a late 1st. Without retention we probably weren't getting anything better than a late 1st for TT.

My problem is team direction. He is a downgrade right now and doesn't fit a teardown timeline. Im not sure if ownership stepped in again but I think something around Goodrow and the Rangers 1st would have been better for direction

I don't disagree that the Goodrow deal would have been a better fit but a 15 team NTC is extensive in the NHL, most of those guys have all of Canada except Toronto Montreal on there. It would have been a better deal no doubt, but the availability of the deal may not have been there. Without retention the options were certainly limited to a handful of teams, CAR, SEA, PIT, NJ maybe? I am likely missing a couple. I think that will be a problem for a Linholm deal as well, they're running out of suitors

Well now I don't like it. 2 years... straight to UFA lol all we did was kick the can down the road a year for a 3rd

The cap looms over all of this, the agent would likely be asking for closer to 3.7 - 4 on a 1 year deal, anything longer than a 2 year deal for a player coming off his worst year in the league would be a fireable offence for the agent when the cap is supposed to sky rocket around that time. It is unfortunate, not a great deal but relatively expected.

I think we could have signed him to a 1 year deal then, still have team control that way

I don't disagree. Leans more towards your lack of direction comment for sure.

idk I just see it as lacking commitment and is mixed messages to me

"hey we traded our top scorer from last year for this young guy because we believe in him"
"hey we didn't sign him to a long term deal because we don't know if he will work out or not"

What if we looked at it the same way Toffoli was, it's "reported" by Serevalli that Toffoli was offended by the pecking order with the UFA's, would you agree that Toffoli was likely the 4th most valuable asset the Flames could move this off season?

1. Lindholm
2. Hanifin
3. Backlund
4. Toffoli

If that's the case the Flames are getting a guy on essentially a two year test run where if it works out they will have ample cap space to extend him or if he remains similar to last season they aren't tied to the guy for longer, for the 4th most valuable asset on the block at the moment. IF(!!) Sharengovich can get back to 2020-22 level production then I bet they go back to the negotiating table next season with him when there is more of a direction. The more I look at it the more I think Conroy avoiding a QO next season was a part of it, if he plays at a 2.5M level next season the Flames won't have to qualify him at 3.1+ or let him walk without a QO.

You're right. I agree he's the 4th highest trade value and your optimistic POV here is refreshing. I think I just saw the term and said "ok so we accepted a downgrade for now but didn't want to give him enough runway to get value out of him reaching his potential

I don't you're wrong in thinking that, I also agree that it sends a mixed message to the fan base. Toffoli was never the direction setting deal this offseason though, due to suitors, circumstance etc. I think he got nearly the best deal available to him. If there is a similar deal involving Hanifin or Lindholm with seemingly no plan, direction or message to the fan base then I think panic time kicks in a little more. Enjoy the draft, I'm sure we will have lots to talk about.

who are you hoping we take at 16?