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Big EK trade

Créé par: TMLBRIAN
Équipe: 2023-24 Sabres de Buffalo
Date de création initiale: 18 juin 2023
Publié: 18 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
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Transactions
BUF
  1. Karlsson, Erik (5 750 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
full 50% retention.
SJS
  1. Jokiharju, Henri
  2. Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka
  3. Östlund, Noah
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BUF)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (BUF)
Détails additionnels:
13th overall + high level centre prospect + young RD and Young Goalie with potential + 2nd round pick
Rachats de contrats
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2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2083 500 000 $65 390 237 $0 $4 570 000 $18 109 763 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 4
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7 142 857 $7 142 857 $
C
UFA - 7
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4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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855 833 $855 833 $ (Bonis de performance32 500 $$32K)
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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7 100 000 $7 100 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 7
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance412 500 $$412K)
C, AG
RFA - 1
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
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4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 285 714 $4 285 714 $
DG
UFA - 7
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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916 667 $916 667 $ (Bonis de performance1 850 000 $$2M)
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Sharks de San Jose
4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance925 000 $$925K)
G
RFA - 2
Logo de Sabres de Buffalo
1 850 000 $1 850 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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687 500 $687 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
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1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
DG
RFA - 1

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18 juin 2023 à 1 h 4
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Sabres score a lot and can’t defend Karlsson is not a fit.
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18 juin 2023 à 1 h 12
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Finally a trade that makes some sense
18 juin 2023 à 1 h 12
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Quoting: BUF10
Sabres score a lot and can’t defend Karlsson is not a fit.


Yep and how'd they finish the season again? Oh thats right on the outside looking in
18 juin 2023 à 1 h 13
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If the Sabres are going to double down on being offensively gifted and terrible defensively theyre probably better off trading for Keller or something.
18 juin 2023 à 1 h 14
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Yep and how'd they finish the season again? Oh thats right on the outside looking in


yeah cause they couldnt defend...which Karlsson cant either? Which is his point?

This ain't the "gotcha" moment you think it is lmao
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18 juin 2023 à 1 h 18
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Quoting: Stadel
yeah cause they couldnt defend...which Karlsson cant either? Which is his point?

This ain't the "gotcha" moment you think it is lmao


Okay so more goals offset that right? Who cares about a gotcha moment. Use logic.
18 juin 2023 à 1 h 19
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Okay so more goals offset that right? Who cares about a gotcha moment. Use logic.


I am using logic, its something called marginal utility, look it up with all that logic youve got. Should be easy for you to understand.
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18 juin 2023 à 1 h 21
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I am using logic, its something called marginal utility, look it up with all that logic youve got. Should be easy for you to understand.


Okay I'll be clear. More goals is better... This might also allow Samuelsson to play more D minutes and make the Sabres better. I don't think this is Earth shattering
18 juin 2023 à 1 h 25
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Okay I'll be clear. More goals is better... This might also allow Samuelsson to play more D minutes and make the Sabres better. I don't think this is Earth shattering


Sameulsson already gets an insane amount of defensive usage, so much so it kept getting him hurt. If anything, he needs some of that scaled back.

The sabres were top 3 in goals for and like bottom 5 in goals against. It adds more wins to the team if they pay up to jump from say 29th to 15th defensively, than it does to pay up to jump from 3rd to 2nd offensively (they already score plenty enough goals to win games)

You're only as strong as your weakest link
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18 juin 2023 à 1 h 36
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EK65 at $5.75 mil is worth figuring out how to balance roster.
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18 juin 2023 à 2 h 7
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Quoting: jakdonaghy
EK65 at $5.75 mil is worth figuring out how to balance roster.


The cost of acquisition is pretty high though (as expected for an elite D man with all that retention), so I think KA still needs to look at the big picture. Can he still get a defensive mentor for Power?

In terms of balancing the roster, if Karlsson can play with Dahlin it probably makes things easier:

Dahlin-Karlsson
Power- top 4 RD*
Samuelsson-Lyubushkin

Everyone plays 20 min+, with Lyubushkin playing 14-16 min.


If Karlsson has to play with Samuelsson, then they have to find a viable partner for Dahlin who probably needs to be able to play at least 18 minutes.

*Probably not Pesce if they are paying that much for Karlsson but still someone who can play 20 minutes. Might be better to take less retention and pay less depending on Dahlin+Power's extensions and cap hit of the top 4 RD that they are looking to add.
18 juin 2023 à 2 h 12
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SJS is just supposed to eat 23 Million for all these question marks? Are you joking?
18 juin 2023 à 2 h 20
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SJS is just supposed to eat 23 Million for all these question marks? Are you joking?


I think people are going to be surprised how little San Jose will get back for Karlsson. At 11.5m a year I think ZERO teams would take him for free. That's my hot take.

Only 3-4 teams would take him at 9m a year. So even then his value wont be crazy.

At 7.5m he starts becoming very desirable and that's where I see his value really starting to take off.

Now if San Jose decides to do a full 50% retention, that's where they will get a serious haul for him. This right here is a very solid haul. Prospects are always questions marks. San Jose should be accumulating as many question marks as possible.
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18 juin 2023 à 2 h 22
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I think people are going to be surprised how little San Jose will get back for Karlsson. At 11.5m a year I think ZERO teams would take him for free. That's my hot take.

Only 3-4 teams would take him at 9m a year. So even then his value wont be crazy.

At 7.5m he starts becoming very desirable and that's where I see his value really starting to take off.

Now if San Jose decides to do a full 50% retention, that's where they will get a serious haul for him. This right here is a very solid haul. Prospects are always questions marks. San Jose should be accumulating as many question marks as possible.


Eating 23 Million & giving up a Norris winner for a bunch of unproven players????... Get real!
18 juin 2023 à 2 h 24
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Sharks are eating half here for literally a rotten burlap sack of cat diarrhoea. Get real.

Oh look a Leafs fan made this, what a ****in surprise. We want florida you mangy kunt.
18 juin 2023 à 2 h 25
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Eating 23 Million & giving up a Norris winner for a bunch of unproven players????... Get real!


what do you suggest San Jose do then?

I am not a San Jose or Buffalo fan - I am trying to be as impartial as possible.

San Jose is AT LEAST 5 years away from competing. Prospects and picks should be what they go for. They get a lot of quality picks and prospects and some decent young players here.
18 juin 2023 à 2 h 33
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what do you suggest San Jose do then?

I am not a San Jose or Buffalo fan - I am trying to be as impartial as possible.

San Jose is AT LEAST 5 years away from competing. Prospects and picks should be what they go for. They get a lot of quality picks and prospects and some decent young players here.


What you're not understanding is that all those players and picks wouldn't be enough to just retain the 23 Million let alone get EK too... it's 23 Million and you're acting like it's no big deal LOL.
The list is pretty short for teams that can even afford to take on a player like EK, let alone be a team he'd be willing to waive to go to.
SJS will inevitably need to eat cap but what you've suggested is the kind of deal that gets ppl fired instantly!
18 juin 2023 à 2 h 34
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What you're not understanding is that all those players and picks wouldn't be enough to just retain the 23 Million let alone get EK too... it's 23 Million and you're acting like it's no big deal LOL.
The list is pretty short for teams that can even afford to take on a player like EK, let alone be a team he'd be willing to waive to go to.
SJS will inevitably need to eat cap but what you've suggested is the kind of deal that gets ppl fired instantly!


So what do you suggest? Make up a mock trade as to what it looks like to you.
18 juin 2023 à 2 h 38
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So what do you suggest? Make up a mock trade as to what it looks like to you.


Just stop and delete this. You're embarrassing yourself!
I don't have to suggest or do ****! I'm not the one making ridiculous trade proposals.
18 juin 2023 à 2 h 39
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Just stop and delete this. You're embarrassing yourself!
I don't have to suggest or do ****! I'm not the one making ridiculous trade proposals.


Have a wonderful night <3
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18 juin 2023 à 6 h 42
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Buffalo easy pass, we don't need EK, just not fit.
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18 juin 2023 à 7 h 10
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Sharks are eating half here for literally a rotten burlap sack of cat diarrhoea. Get real.

Oh look a Leafs fan made this, what a ****in surprise. We want florida you mangy kunt.


"Literally"
18 juin 2023 à 7 h 19
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Just stop and delete this. You're embarrassing yourself!
I don't have to suggest or do ****! I'm not the one making ridiculous trade proposals.


Gzuz sh*t someone's gonna end up pretty disappointed when the EK trade happens...
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18 juin 2023 à 9 h 10
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Sharks are eating half here for literally a rotten burlap sack of cat diarrhoea. Get real.

Oh look a Leafs fan made this, what a ****in surprise. We want florida you mangy kunt.


Lol. This is very similar to what San Jose gave up to get acquire Karlsson when he was 27 not 33 like he is now. If they are going to move him they should be thrilled with this kind of return unless they would just rather keep him
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18 juin 2023 à 9 h 34
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Eating 23 Million & giving up a Norris winner for a bunch of unproven players????... Get real!


dude sharks are starting a rebuild. this is maybe the ideal or dream return for karlsson although in any trade with Buffalo I would think sharks push HARD for Savoie given we know they really wanted him in 2022
 
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