• MTL gets a one-year ticket to evaluate Mantha and see how he could fit in the team's future plans. They also get a big-body project winger, with some offensive upside, in Alexander Suzdalev.
• MTL trades down from #5 to #9, selecting Dalibor Dvorsky, while also adding a 2nd round pick (40th overall).
• WSH replaces Mantha with another enigmatic, but a lot cheaper winger in Denis Gurianov (extended in this scenario at $2.0m per for 2 years). They also add a young-ish left-handed puck moving defenseman, who's also very comfortable playing on the right side, providing low cost depth behind Sandin, Fehervary and Alexeyev as a 7th defenseman. Even with Mantha's retention, WSH saves over $1.5m of total cap space, while also adding a player on their 23-men roster in the process.
• WSH trades up from #9 to #5, allowing them to draft Matvei Michkov, setting him up to come over at the same time Ovechkin's contract expires, making him the face of the franchise for the organization's next chapter.
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MTL
With the 8th overall pick, the Montreal Canadiens select...from AIK in the HockeyAllsvenskan, centerman Dalibor Dvorsky.
WSH
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (WSH)
3.
MTL
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
• MTL trades up from #29 to #14, selecting David Reinbacher.
• WPG adds three young players, including a two-way playmaking center in Riley Kidney, a forechecking sniper in Jan Mysak, and a very good two-way defenseman in Adam Engstrom.
• WPG gets a 2024 1st (Top-19 protected). Pick is listed as 2025 on CapFriendly, but condition reads as follow: "If CGY’s 2024 1st round pick is between 20 and 32, MTL can take that pick instead."
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MTL
Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (VGK)
Détails additionnels:
• Traded at the deadline, to whoever needs Edmundson.
I'm very curious to see what the Pens do with their 1st. If they don't use it to acquire a goalie, I think this is a solid deal for sure and that's rare for a MTL AGM lol
I'm very curious to see what the Pens do with their 1st. If they don't use it to acquire a goalie, I think this is a solid deal for sure and that's rare for a MTL AGM lol
I know PIT are rumored to be suitors for Gibson...you think that 1st might be in play ?
Zero chance Winnipeg waits that long for a protected 1st when they can easily get better value elsewhere. A couple B/C prospects don't get you that much.
I’m not super keen on Gurianov, or of letting go of Suzdalev, but I love the idea of the Caps trading up. Maybe something else could be worked out with Gurianov and Suzdalev out of the deal?
The Capitals pick is 8OA and they’re not going to pay that price to move up three spots.
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I’m not super keen on Gurianov, or of letting go of Suzdalev, but I love the idea of the Caps trading up. Maybe something else could be worked out with Gurianov and Suzdalev out of the deal?
This is two trades, merged into one.
The first one (MTL 1st for WSH 1st + WSH 2nd + Suzdalev) was suggested by a WSH ACGM if I'm not mistaken. The second part (Mantha retained for Gurianov + Norlinder) is something I added, as I thought it could make sense for both team.
Zero chance Winnipeg waits that long for a protected 1st when they can easily get better value elsewhere. A couple B/C prospects don't get you that much.
This is assuming the trade happens AFTER the draft. In which case, WPG is most probably looking at a 2024 protected first in any package they'll get.
The Capitals pick is 8OA and they’re not going to pay that price to move up three spots.
The difference of value between Smith/Carlsson/Michkov and whoever would be available at eight is drastic. I could see any of those three going first in ‘21 or ‘22.
This is assuming the trade happens AFTER the draft. In which case, WPG is most probably looking at a 2024 protected first in any package they'll get.
Dubois is likely traded before or at the draft and they can almost certainly do better than a top 19 protected first that drops to a first 3 drafts out. I could see if you were offering a high end prospect to compensate for that, but a couple B and a D level prospect, (LHD to boot) doesn't do much.
The first one (MTL 1st for WSH 1st + WSH 2nd + Suzdalev) was suggested by a WSH ACGM if I'm not mistaken. The second part (Mantha retained for Gurianov + Norlinder) is something I added, as I thought it could make sense for both team.
Would Mantha, our 1st, and a 2025 2nd suffice for y’all’s 1st?
Dubois is likely traded before or at the draft and they can almost certainly do better than a top 19 protected first that drops to a first 3 drafts out. I could see if you were offering a high end prospect to compensate for that, but a couple B and a D level prospect, (LHD to boot) doesn't do much.
D-level prospect ? You're talking about Engstrom here ?
Boy, you didn't have much credibility before, you've just lost the very little you had left.
Congrats !
Would Mantha, our 1st, and a 2025 2nd suffice for y’all’s 1st?
Who's to say. Personally, I wouldn't do it. Mantha/Gurianov is more of a 'lets exchange players that don't fit into our team anymore' kinda deal. The 1st itself would need to bring back WSH 1st + 2nd...plus another piece in my opinion. At least, for me. But I'm not Kent Hughes, so.
D-level prospect ? You're talking about Engstrom here ?
Boy, you didn't have much credibility before, you've just lost the very little you have left.
Congrats !
Engstrom is a favorite of mine. I would not trade him.
D-level prospect ? You're talking about Engstrom here ?
Boy, you didn't have much credibility before, you've just lost the very little you have left.
Congrats !
Lol. He's an LHD. Something Winnipeg has absolutely no need for. He's a 3rd round pick and has virtually no chance of ever being a full time NHL'er
Just because you lost all your credibly eons ago with your biased evaluations on your own prospects don't try and project that on unbiased posters that don't agree with your obviously slanted evaluations.
If you make ACGM's that are heavily tilted in your teams favor and offer the opposing team very little that they would need or value. It's probably going to be pointed out by unbiased posters.
I know PIT are rumored to be suitors for Gibson...you think that 1st might be in play ?
There are no real rumors tying the Pens to Gibson. Anything you've heard has just been what writers THINK would be a good fit. Any rumors you hear right now have no substance because we don't have a GM.
As far as the first being play, it's very hard to figure that out right now because again, we don't have a GM. Personally I think it SHOULD be in play, but only for something amazing and Gibson is not worth it IMO.
Who's to say. Personally, I wouldn't do it. Mantha/Gurianov is more of a 'lets exchange players that don't fit into our team anymore' kinda deal. The 1st itself would need to bring back WSH 1st + 2nd...plus another piece in my opinion. At least, for me. But I'm not Kent Hughes, so.
Quoting: capsleafs447
Would Mantha, our 1st, and a 2025 2nd suffice for y’all’s 1st?
I think you have to add a good prospect like Iorio or Chelsey for the Habs to consider that
Lol. He's an LHD. Something Winnipeg has absolutely no need for. He's a 3rd round pick and has virtually no chance of ever being a full time NHL'er
Just because you lost all your credibly eons ago with your biased evaluations on your own prospects don't try and project that on unbiased posters that don't agree with your obviously slanted evaluations.
If you make ACGM's that are heavily tilted in your teams favor and offer the opposing team very little that they would need or value. It's probably going to be pointed out by unbiased posters.
Yeah, okay. Lets ask around these boards if Engstrom is a D-Level prospect, and see who gets the "obvisouly slanted evaluations" mark on that one, bud.
I'm very curious to see what the Pens do with their 1st. If they don't use it to acquire a goalie, I think this is a solid deal for sure and that's rare for a MTL AGM lol
This deal is WAY off in value, especially for a team with a shallow prospect pool. That second is devalued because it's a 2024 pick, but even if it were Colorado's 2023 pick, that package would still be short. The Colorado 2024 second has to be replaced with the Montreal 2023 second for this deal to be fair to, and make sense for, Pittsburgh.
This deal is WAY off in value, especially for a team with a shallow prospect pool. That second is devalued because it's a 2024 pick, but even if it were Colorado's 2023 pick, that package would still be short. The Colorado 2024 second has to be replaced with the Montreal 2023 second for this deal to be fair to, and make sense for, Pittsburgh.
Yeah, I think you're right about that. Which is probably something that could be done...but it means no Engstrom in the Dubois deal, as the Habs would probably prioritize Hrabal over Simashev if they only had WSH's pick in the 2nd round.
...but who cares about Engstrom. If we have learn something in this ACGM, it's that Engstrom is nothing but a D-level prospect, therefor taking him out of the deal shouldn't hurt it that much.
I don't know, I'm seing his name all over the place on the lists published. But if I'm being honest, I also think he might be gone, and debated if I should use WSH's 1st round pick on Reinbacher instead, and deal with the fact that Dvorsky won't be available at 14th (there's still gonna be good forwards at that spot). Although, in this case, I'm not sure I would be doing the deal with Pittsburgh.
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