Take out Pinelli and move the pick to 2024. Also no need to have Mitchell in there. I'd take him, but not at the cost of the 2023 2nd and Pinelli.

As far as the money, the Kings can trade him after July 1st to bring down his actual salary owed to 7mil because he has a 4mil signing bonus.

If the caps were to consider moving back from the 8th pick (which i feel is unlikely, if anything they will probably move up) they would need a better package, it would have to include a higher second rounder or a prospect.

I just don’t understand why the coyotes don’t take michkov at 6 if he’s there, gamble at 6 and still have 12 to fall back on. Couple picks in first should let a few teams gamble

How are the Caps going to move up? 2023 1st and 2024 1st? That's about all they can offer.

Not for Cal Peterson. WAY too much money owed for a team that wants to contend. a 2nd and a prospect is the starting point...not the negotiating down point.

VAN isn't doing this trade though. TMyers will get his bonus paid and then it's only $1M for an entire year of services. Seems like an AZ special in the making. AZ will likely take TMyers for futures.

Their pick and one of their previous first round selections like Lapierre.

Doubt WAS wants to trade Miroshnichenko, BUT I also VERY much doubt MTL, SJS, AZ want Lapierre vs their own draft pick. I guess maybe #7 if PHI like Lapierre. You're trying to move up a tier in quality. WAS doesn't likely have the pieces to do so.

I would say that SJ and Arizona both need players that have the potential to both play in their lineup and grow into better players and I personally think Lapierre and McMichael might be pieces they would look at.

BUT at a HUGE cost. The SJS can get Will Smith or Leo Carlsson. That's a massive talent drop to #8. AZ....if Michkov/Smith/Carlsson all get drafted...ok. once that talent drop occurs then I could see two spots, but its not realistic to believe McMichael/Lapierre can jump up talent tiers. The one outside shot is if teams are just REALLY SCARED of Michkov's contract and conspiracy theory about his dad.

Capitals decline

It’s not even close

The Kings have options with Cal. They don't HAVE to trade him. Would it help their crunch more than any other option? Sure. But they're not going to pay through the nose for a single year of relief when his buyout becomes extremely affordable after this year. Not to mention expected cap increases.

No, if they can't find a taker for a reasonable price LA will just bury him in the minors for the year, take the 3.85mil cap hit, and work around it by moving a guy not in their future plans anyway (ie any combination of Arvidsson, Walker, and Durzi). If they want to go a little more difficult route, they can get significant returns for guys like Iafallo and Roy AND gain the cap space because they have ELC players ready to take their spots.

A second and a prospect is more expensive than any cap dump in recent memory. Purely wishful thinking from fans/teams that think they can take advantage of LA. If you want a similar dump to look at, Gostisbehere is a great example. 2 years left at $4.5mil when he was traded for a 2nd and a 7th. One less year, but just as many questions about his ability to play. And let's not pretend that if Cal DOESN'T bounce back, any team that acquires him will do the exact same thing I said -- buy him out at the end of the year for extremely minimal hits in 24-25 and 25-26.

Either way if he is on the board at 8oa, the capitals are keeping that pick and taking him, they would not deal him off like this post suggests.

If you want 11OA you can use the Arizona-SJ deal last year as a blueprint. Which means 20 OA, 35OA, 56OA or something similar

TRUE, the don't HAVE to trade him. He's got 2 years left on his contract. The situation you're outlining is $3.85M, $2M, $1M. The Hawks don't take cap dumps for free though. WHICH, is what you're trying to do. The Hawks have plenty of history with cap dumps. None as bad as Peterson's situation though.

Zaitsev cost a 2nd and 4th. Lest Term and Lower Cap Hit
Dickinson Cost a 2nd. 1 year...~Half the cap hit.
TJ cost a 2nd...but can actually play hockey

Other notable Cap Dumps
Ghost - cost a 2nd and 7th for 2 years with a lower cap hit, but still 82 points in 134 games
Marc Staal - Cost a 2nd

Peterson has the worst contract and is the worst player out of all these guys. The cost SHOULD be higher than everything outline above.

Yes 100% agreed. If Michkov is on the board at #8. WAS should 100% draft him. My guess is he defects. But I'm purely guessing right now. That's not moving up though.

I didn't say for free at all. There's still a 2nd round pick attached. But that's just you trying to minimize, which I get is what people try to do in negotiations. I'm sure I'm doing it the other way.

Tyler Johnson is actually a really good comparable. "Can actually play hockey" is a statement you can make after a year, not one that would have been made when the trade was completed. Blackhawks took a chance on a guy that didn't look like he could play in Tampa at all and gave him a roster spot to see if he could regain form. If I had to guess, that's exactly what would be done with Petersen. Would he be guaranteed to regain form? Absolutely not. But he's shown he could play in the NHL before, he's still young, and there are minimal costs after this year if it doesn't work out.

Stanley Cup Champions having a DEEP forward bench is somehow comparable to Peterson's year in the AHL? Is this really what you're intending to compare?

Lol. Tyler Johnson was absolutely vilified all over the NHL/places like this and it certainly wasn't because of Tampa's deep roster. He's worked out OKAY for Chicago, but let's not pretend he's anything more than a placeholder on one of the leagues worst teams right now.

if it was a 1 year deal sure, but at 2 years the hawks aern't a fit for taking Peterson imo

If Michkov is there you do it, but I don't buy that he will be there. If we're going all the way up to 8 I want Oliver Moore. Price may be too steep to get there. If you can get up like 5 spots (looking at PIT at 14) you try to snag Mathew Wood. Hawks need a big forward and he's a very good one

I wouldn't overlook the possibility of staying put at 19 and moving back up into the late 1st with a 2nd+. I think that is much more likley

He was vilified because of his refusal to leave Tampa...which I understand. He signed a contract, had a FULL NTC, and wanted the chance to win more cups. TBL was up against the cap and forced to make moves and TJ's / Gourde's cap hit made them on the outs. TJ was even waived and sent to the taxi squad as a "Power move" because the season was about to start in Jan 2021 and TBL didn't have the cap space in the long run. He knew he was on the outside. I know exactly what happened. Still an NHLer even with a high cap. AND TBL helped CHI with their contract situation too.

Let's compare Jason Dickinson 1 year $2.65M...2nd round pick and it's VANs. Much better than LAs. Jason is still an NHLer. You're looking for an AHLer, with 2 years, @ $5M...for a worse pick.

Vancouver can dispose of Myers at the cost of a fourth, not a major element closing the gap between 11th overall and 19th plus 67th overall. The Tampa first plus your own second (34th overall) would get your 11th overall, or the Tampa first plus the Ottawa second plus your own third would do it.

Petersen is more than a late 2nd to move regardless of if the Kings pay the bonus or not or the plan is to buy him out next Summer or not. Absolute BEST case scenerio with Petersen (Kings pay his Summer bonus & you buy him out next Summer) he will still cost 6 million real dollars in payroll and will apply a cap hit of 5, 3, & 1 over 3 years. Why do the Hawks do that for a late 2nd? The answer is they don't and probably not for even 2 late 2nds (cause that is the only currency in picks the Kings have based on they are a playoff team for the forseable future).

Please stop trying to sell Petersen as some sure fire reclamation project that just needs a chance in the NHL. His track record is worse every season in the league culminating in terrible in the NHL this season and not good in the AHL with the cherry on top being absolutely brutal in the AHL playoffs. The Kings achilies heal was goaltending and he couldn't even help them with as desperate as their net was this season. Petersen is an AHL goalie until he proves otherwise and at this point the smart money is on he won't. Comparing to Ghost is absurd....he had one outlier year before he got dumped and has otherwise been a 40+ point a season guy. Not my cup of tea as a D, but certainly an NHL player which is far more than can be said about Petersen who has half the NHL track record and an obvious trend line.

If there is going to be a Petersen trade with the Hawk, the basis of the trade is going to be a 2nd and one of Pinnelli/Grans or maybe Spence....as in something of any interest for the Hawks cause they are not eating a 6 million dollar ****burger with a side of 8 million in cap over 3 years for a late 2nd (or any other compareable picks you want to dress up the burger with). You can argue who pays the Summer bonus or if there needs to be some minor tweaks added on either side, but something short of actual VALUE (as in one of the prospects), the Hawks have no reason to want to do any of this.

Now if the Kings think they can find a better dump deal, or bury Petersen and still resign Vilardi, Gavrikov, and fix the goaltending...this Hawk fans says good luck with that and we'll hang on to our cap space for a better oppurtunity to use it.

He's not owed that much money, in cap dollars or actual dollars.

Cap dollars, he costs $3.85M each of the next two seasons when he's buried in the AHL. If he is bought out next summer, then he costs $1M in 2024-25 and $2M in 2025-26. Total of $6.85M in dead cap space, spread out over 3 seasons.

In actual dollars, it's even less. Since he's not going to be traded until after his $4M bonus is paid out on July 1st, he will only be owed $1M in salary for 2023-24. Then when he is bought out, he's only owed $4M for his final season, for a total payout of $5M.

He costs a 2nd or a good prospect to dump, but not both. If he costs more, then the Kings will just keep him.