Have a sit down with scheifele and see what he’s feeling. I think he stays if the jets express intentions to compete for a cup after a quick retool. Maybe even making playoffs next year. Scheifele agrees to a 5x9M legacy extension (goes till he's 36).
Helly gets moved to DET for the 9 oa and husso. While husso has been okay, Yzerman has expressed intentions on upgrading the goaltending. Top 3 goaltenders don't become available everyday and would speed up the rebuilding process in Detroit. With their recent signings and upcoming young guys like raymond, kasper, and seider, they are an up-and-coming team, which gives helly incentive to sign. While it would be good for Detroit to keep the top 10 pick, it's also not hard for them to bring in free agents or trade, so they should be able to take the hit. With helly, they also don't need Husso at his salary so he is sent the other way. Also, helly at 6. years allows him to mentor cossa and eventually take over. Husso waives to come to a playoff team (after some convincing from Jets players like we've seen in the past).
Demelo replaces a lot of what carlo does, without the size factor, while also providing more offense. However, since size is a factor in the NHL and contract status, carlo carries slightly more value. PLD is a good 1B centre with 1A potential if he can be a little more consistent. While he wants to test FA, a good outlook in Boston on a competing team might convince him to stay after talking to a few teams. Swayman is also included. He's an up and coming goalie who might grown into a starter to help replace helly. Also, with the current cap situation, boston simply can't afford both ullmark and swayman without subtracting from their roster elsewhere. Additionally, Ullmark has a 16 team NTC, which allows him to make himself essentially untradeable. At the end of the day, the bruins need a top 6 center more than they need carlo and Swayman who are currently role players rather than difference makers. Additionally, demelo helps offset carlo's loss. That was my thought process. Since the B's are facing a cap crunch, the last part is probably especially valuable to them. Reilly is a cap dump, that we can agree. This will not only move that contract, but also add a chisholm who can play 3rd pair ld/rd, thereby allowing them to move forbort/gryzleck as well.
Mantha is a cap dump, but i think he could bounce back or at least provide 3rd line mins. The jets cant attract UFA's right now so the jets take Iorio to help their RD depth and move up a round to take mantha off Washington's hands.
Wheeler gets a hometown sendoff. Arizona retains 2M as a 3rd team to get a 3rd and the jets pick up foligno.
Swayman is signed 6x5M. The first couple of years he tandems with husso, then he takes over while mentoring Dom DiVincetiis hopefully. Toews comes home to either help perfetti transition to centre or play with Scheifele and Ehlers on the top line. Lambert makes the team and Samberg is given a well-earned shot in the top 4. Hopefully, he can stabilize pionk's game a bit. Finally, schmidt is moved to allow for heinola to come up.
A word of caution, but a lot of these trades involve 2023 picks. That means chevy has to make 6 trades in the next month, which is very unlikely. Therefore, the only trade that should be made before the draft is the helly trade.
Jets draft Dvorksy and the best player available at 9 and 19 oa.
Yzerman isn't trading Husso and 9OA for a goalie. 🤭
These Jets/Red Wings trades keep getting more hideous each day. 😁
Honestly, not really tied to it. We'd get plenty of offers for helly elsewhere so the jets decline if DET isn't willing to pay. One I saw on here was Helly for luukhonen, 13 oa, and another piece from buffalo. Tbh, seeing his desire to win, I think helly would be more inclined to sign there anyway than detroit. Then talk to a team like Washington or even detroit and move from 13 oa into the top 10 and its all the same.
The point I'm trying to make is that the jets shouldn't accept less for helly.
Speaking of hideous jets-wings trades, lets not even start on some offers for connor that are "getting more hideous each day" 🤭.
Bringing Helly home doesn't make any sense, he'll be 31 years old when his new contract kicks in next summer, he wants to win now and that's not happening in Detroit. Plus we're not moving our 9 OA pick in a very deep draft for a goalie.
Honestly, not really tied to it. We'd get plenty of offers for helly elsewhere so the jets decline if DET isn't willing to pay. One I saw on here was Helly for luukhonen, 13 oa, and another piece from buffalo. Tbh, seeing his desire to win, I think helly would be more inclined to sign there anyway than detroit. Then talk to a team like Washington or even detroit and move from 13 oa into the top 10 and its all the same.
The point I'm trying to make is that the jets shouldn't accept less for helly
Wings pass and honestly it's not close. Goalies don't get the same value back as players and Detroit isn't giving up a top 10 pick for a player of this age when they have husso and cossa on the way
If they get a good goalie, that team is at least a playoff team. So I disagree. 13 oa isn't going to help them any time soon and luukhonen is a backup.
Good luck with Scheifele and Wheeler: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/l4jgbt/finnish_paper_reports_wheeler_and_scheifeles/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZFNbxX86I, https://novacapsfans.com/2021/01/26/report-patrik-laine-revealed-reason-for-leaving-winnipeg-rude-treatment-in-locker-room/, https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-jets-captain-hockey-leadership-nhl-1.6585533
Good luck with Scheifele and Wheeler: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/l4jgbt/finnish_paper_reports_wheeler_and_scheifeles/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZFNbxX86I, https://novacapsfans.com/2021/01/26/report-patrik-laine-revealed-reason-for-leaving-winnipeg-rude-treatment-in-locker-room/, https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-jets-captain-hockey-leadership-nhl-1.6585533
Laine's comments have been brought up and they were miss translated by all accounts. He moreso said that he didn't play on the 1st line and he didn't have much of a voice in the lockerroom with schiefele and wheeler. Thats fair and the reason why the locker room got so messed up last year and bowness stripped to C to give others a voice. It worked by all accounts as well.
Tbh, not sure why you brought that up. Not keeping wheeler and without scheifele staying, the jets go into a rebuild, which I don't think they are going to do. I, unlike most jets fans, think scheifele isn't nearly as bad as most suggest, which I have explained in the past. Bowness' usage of schiefele and how he refers to him says enough. Bowness is a no bs coach and the fact that he gives scheifele the most icetime among forwards, calls him his 1c over dubois, and gives him an A says enough.
Honestly, not really tied to it. We'd get plenty of offers for helly elsewhere so the jets decline if DET isn't willing to pay. One I saw on here was Helly for luukhonen, 13 oa, and another piece from buffalo. Tbh, seeing his desire to win, I think helly would be more inclined to sign there anyway than detroit. Then talk to a team like Washington or even detroit and move from 13 oa into the top 10 and its all the same.
The point I'm trying to make is that the jets shouldn't accept less for helly.
Speaking of hideous jets-wings trades, lets not even start on some offers for connor that are "getting more hideous each day" 🤭.
Wouldn't it be easier to just say that you're talking from your arse? 🤭
You think PLD taking a pay cut? No? Ok. Can’t afford him.
With some maneuvering, I think boston can afford 8M pld. He's not getting more than that. Move forbort, bring in a cheap backup or play bussi. That already saves 5-6M.
With some maneuvering, I think boston can afford 8M pld. He's not getting more than that. Move forbort, bring in a cheap backup or play bussi. That already saves 5-6M.
They have to move 8m of their 15 currently signed players just to sign Sway and Freddy to below market value 1 year deals and fill the remainder of the roster with ELCs and min vets. They can’t afford 8m anybody. Certainly not doing for someone who does not want to be here.
That's fair and its also concerning considering he's a big guy. Honestly, he requested a trade at the tdl because of his usage so the jets will probably get what they can. But I still think some GM will give up a 2nd or at least an early 3rd for him. Dont think he's worth it, but GM's love size.
Laine's comments have been brought up and they were miss translated by all accounts. He moreso said that he didn't play on the 1st line and he didn't have much of a voice in the lockerroom with schiefele and wheeler. Thats fair and the reason why the locker room got so messed up last year and bowness stripped to C to give others a voice. It worked by all accounts as well.
Tbh, not sure why you brought that up. Not keeping wheeler and without scheifele staying, the jets go into a rebuild, which I don't think they are going to do. I, unlike most jets fans, think scheifele isn't nearly as bad as most suggest, which I have explained in the past.
My point is as follows:
Giving Scheifele 5x9mill isn't sending a good message to the room bc it's a boat anchor contract and because of the recent media of what happened with Laine (where is there an article saying that it was a mistranslation), sends the wrong message (Bullies get the last laugh with the Jets). This applies to Wheeler as teams won't want that cancer (it's why BOS got rid of him)
Removing arse from the conversation here...
A 30 year old goalie in need of a new contract is not getting a great return. The thing with goalies is the good ones don't get traded, and when they do...wait, when was a consistent and good goalie last traded that didn't have any other issues? Fleury had issues, Ben Bishop wasn't a good enough goalie when he got dealt to Tampa, Murray was inconsistent and injured. Markstrom had issues. Like seriously, most of the big goalie trades happened pre-cap.
You don't get a return for goalies because almost EVERY team has a goalie of the future in the works. If the team is competing for a cup, they already have the goalie in place. No team is giving up a 25 year old in his prime goalie, and few teams are in a position to give up significant assets for a declining (excpected) elite goalie in his 30s. Nobody trades young elite goalies, nobody wants to trade for over 30 previously elite goalies.
They have to move 8m of their 15 currently signed players just to sign Sway and Freddy to below market value 1 year deals and fill the remainder of the roster with ELCs and min vets. They can’t afford 8m anybody. Certainly not doing for someone who does not want to be here.
I just tried it out. I ended up having to move one of hall or coyle, but overall, was able to fit it in and it was a pretty good team. Basically let bertuzzi walk, moved hall to Pittsburg and brought in joseph instead, and moved forbort and grzelcyk. All under cap. Or you keep hall and move coyle instead and bring in a 3C in his spot. Its doable cap wise. As for him not wanting to be there, idk about that. He didn't say that. He's never even said he wants to go to MTL. He did say he wants to test FA though, which I think he does even if he goes to mtl.
Honestly, not really tied to it. We'd get plenty of offers for helly elsewhere so the jets decline if DET isn't willing to pay. One I saw on here was Helly for luukhonen, 13 oa, and another piece from buffalo. Tbh, seeing his desire to win, I think helly would be more inclined to sign there anyway than detroit. Then talk to a team like Washington or even detroit and move from 13 oa into the top 10 and its all the same.
The point I'm trying to make is that the jets shouldn't accept less for helly.
Speaking of hideous jets-wings trades, lets not even start on some offers for connor that are "getting more hideous each day" 🤭.
Also, please elaborate on some other possible trade partners. What assets will you get back? What teams need Hellybuck right now, and have a window closing in the next few years, and have assets that you are asking for?
Kudos for the effort for making relatively interesting post in terms of trading, but imo some valuations and more the targets for these exchanges are tad off.
Detroit is not looking to be a playoff team on a short timeframe. The fact they traded Hronek and Bertuzzi for first rounders while still competing for a playoff spot speaks volumes about Yzerman thinking they're not ready yet. I don't think the switch from Husso to Hellebuyck is changing that direction...if there is a team to trade a first rounder for Hellebuyck, it would be from one that's confident in their ability to make the playoffs next year, as he likely is a rental goalie.
BOS is cap strapped big time, so they're not exactly in position to take in Dubois now, who is likely to cost fairly close to as much as the entire package going Jets' way here. BOS needs to shed cap, not increase it.
Stanley is a sheltered 24-year old D-man that's not likely to be a fit in the lineup in any team save for the bottom-5 teams in the league. Buffalo does not have a need for LHD. You could try someone taking him as a depth D, but the more correct valuation for him rn is something closer to what Bear got (5th+fringe player).
ARI is able to make it to cap minimum without taking additional contracts...they're financially so f*cked their upper limit rn is probably around $60-65M dollars lol. I think Schmidt would be a better fit in Chicago for instance.
Lastly, I just don't see a scenario where WSH ends up paying to rid themselves of Mantha. They've invested way too much for him, so either they get positive value out of him or they just suck it up and keep him.
I like the Wild trade though. Wheeler going home sounds solid to me, and they really need to change something up - that first round is such a curse for them right now.
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