31 mar 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Hope you're right about Roslovic, he gets a fair bit of criticism and maybe some of its justified but the way he's been shuffled around the lineup and Maurice shafting him for ice time in the 18-19 season idk wtf people expect, some of the local media talking heads(and some fans) are just morons though, their complete lack of context is astounding.. Lol... Have heard them argue and defend certain guys and then in a round about way at a later date say that same player they defended is part of the problem, makes no sense!
Idk, after watching them both get pummeled by Bennett who's listed as not much bigger then either of them has me pretty firmly thinking they both need a bigger D partner.</div></div>
Bennet is a truck. Not many players hit harder than him in the nhl. So establishing him as the rule isn’t accurate imo. The two handled all the flames’ other forwards well imo (even lucic and tkachuk). They also drive play at an incredible rate when they are paired together. Imo, size isn’t normally a problem for both.
Yeah, sometimes Maurice’s usage of young players is astounding (and not in good way). That said, he’s still better than many other players and you have to admit that before this season, Roslovic didn't really probe himself to deserve more minutes. I’m not saying that maurice handled him great, but it wasn’t nearly as bad as most think. What was he supposed to do? Play more effective players ahead of him when we were competing?. Yes he could have found a few more minutes per night but as I said, his usage wasn’t awful per say.
As for what I see in Roslovic, I’ve been saying the same thing since day 1, and I still stand by it. That said, I’m not sure it will be with Winnipeg. He is running out of time to burst out of that 3rw bubble. However, I think he will have a centre role if little does indeed retire (sounds more likely than I previously thought). Hopefully he can use that. However, I don’t see him stepping into the 2c role immediately and flourishing either. Probably see him get used to centre for a quite a while before he can play 2c
Whether he plays centre or wing however, he’s someone I want on the jets long term. Imo he isn’t even close to his potential. The guy is oozing with offensive potential so I don’t think a 70 pt winger is out of reach (ceiling)
I completely agree about the morons.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>My thoughts as well, I like DeMelo but is he really a top pairing guy? He's smallish too and the Jets D is already too small plus Pionk is only so so on the PP, gotta think Ristolainen would be better on the PP then Pionk is.
I wouldn't trade Roslovic for Ristolainen which is common on here though I'm willing to deal Roslovic as I think he'll never take a step due to Maurice but I'd rather deal Roslo in a bigger trade for someone with more long term value, I doubt the Sabres would trade Ristolainen for this though, I really don't think he's as bad as he's made out to be by the fancy stat crowd.</div></div>
I agree. If we can get ristolainen for this price, I would sign Edmundson and let demelo move on. A d corps of:
This is a very good d-corps imo. Adding size in ristolainen also allows the jets to move around their pairings.
I think demelo can play top pairing minutes, however I just think that the jets need to bring back size on the backend. Ristolainen also has that hard shot the power play is lacking with pionk as qb.
I also agree on Roslovic. I wouldn’t move him for ristolainen but considering that maurice will likely never play him at c, maybe packaging him for a long term rd or 2c solution is our best bet. However, if Roslovic keeps playing like he did this playoffs, he will get his chance at c in no time imo. Say what you will about maurice, but if a player proves himself to be capable of more, maurice gives him a shot.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>The problem I see is they'll be good enough to be a bubble/wildcard team but won't be able to contend and yeah grabbing a Haula, Edmunson/Dillon as stopgaps will help but the clock is really ticking on Schiefeles prime and Wheeler already looks to be in decline so while the stopgaps help make us better and maybe a playoff team they don't make us contenders and by the time the future 2C, RHD and Samberg or Heinola come in its too late and Scheifele is declining and they're probably signing him to some contract that'll be a total anchor in no time, also the young wingers will all be in their primes but we'll have a 2C developed by then hopefully but we won't be bad enough to have sunk low enough to draft a 1C to replace Scheifele, honestly they're in a real predicament actually, they really need to decide what they're doing and make some hard choices and live with the consequences either way.</div></div>
Imo, they get haula since he can be a 50 pt 2c (all the jets need really). Edmundson is much better than most think. Imo he is a top 4 shutdown d-man. He should shore up the d. If the jets want to improve there at the tdl, they could add a guy like petry (if available). That’s said, I think with Edmundson, the d is at least average and he adds the much needed size. By the time his contract is up, heinola and Samberg will be at least top 4 and either haula will be up for a new contract or he will be reduced to a 3rd line role by whoever the jets draft or by Roslovic.
Imo, the jets should consider moving parts to get the 2c now, but they shouldn’t overpay (ie moving the 2020 1st). They don’t need it that much. Yes wheeler will decline but I don’t see scheifele declining until at least the end of this contract which is still 5 years away.
Imo, as you said the jest make the choice, and imo they get a potential 1c for the future, rather than fixing their 2c issue right now. And they land a future top 4 rd. Imo wheeler isn’t that crucial considering the jets will have off Roslovic or Vesalainen to replace him. I know they won’t be as good, but still they will be 60 pt wingers imo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Man when you lay it out like that combined with the pounding the Jets took against the Flames it's pretty depressing to think of how far this team has fallen, how high the mountain is they'd have to climb to get back to contender status and with how long that will take it might be time to really blow this team up to some degree. I hate to say it and I know my fellow Jets fans will say I'm wrong but idk, this defense needs a total overhaul other then Morrissey and the D prospects they have are either too small or years away from contributing. They desperately need a 2C but that's not an easy hole to fill without creating another one and there's almost zero center prospects in the system other then Gustafsson which is pathetic, sorry to tell ya Chevy fans but I think he's pretty much failed on the draft and develop plan other then hitting on most but not all of his 1st round picks and finding Helly in the 5th round in 2012.
Honestly I think most of my past opinions on this team were wrong, it's probably time for a slight teardown/retool, there's just way too many holes to fill, some tough questions need to be asked about the direction this team is going and it might be time to part ways with some key members of the team.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tsyls</b></div><div>I don’t disagree with this. Too many holes to fill, If we don’t decide to tear down and retool, we’re going to end up like MIN. Always a fringe playoffs team. I wouldn’t be against an accelerated rebuild that lasts 2020-21-2022-23. I’d be fine with retooling over the next two years. Maybe tank for Wright.</div></div>
I don’t disagree completely with you. However, I also don’t think the jets problems are that many (big yes but not numerous). Imo the only long term need are a big top 4 rd, and a 2c. Short term, we need a big stopgap top 4 ld and a 2c. Imo we can solve both by signing haula and edmundson.
Long term, I think with these 2, the jets should be fine. Barron projects to be a top 4 shutdown rd at the very least, and lapierre a playmaking 2c. Imo both will get there in a couple of years. In the present, the jets can shore up their relative weaknesses at the tdls. I don’t see the jets’ window closed per say. However, I completely agree that the jets have 2 big holes that chevy needs to fill if we want to get back to competing.