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2022-23 NHL Playoff Discussion Thread #2: Ryan Suter is the biggest bird

24 mai 2023 à 23 h 55
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That is just not true. Huberdeau was brutal in the playoffs.

Tkachuk had 3 game winning goals in round 3. To say it would have gone the same with Huberdeau is complete wishful thinking or ignorance


It is true if u cant see it I cant help u. Without Bob playing like this FLA does not get out of r2 or this far in general even with Hubderdeau. Bob carried that series and in r3 he did the same only allowing 2 goals until tonight. This allows for other guys to do their jobs. So without him they going nowhere no matter the personnel.

Like if FLA had bob playing like this last year no telling where they would have went as he is playing some of the best goalie hockey seen in modern history. They may have actually beat Tampa and went to the finals who knows
25 mai 2023 à 0 h 1
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It is true if u cant see it I cant help u. Without Bob playing like this FLA does not get out of r2 or this far in general even with Hubderdeau. Bob carried that series and in r3 he did the same only allowing 2 goals until tonight. This allows for other guys to do their jobs. So without him they going nowhere no matter the personnel.

Like if FLA had bob playing like this last year no telling where they would have went as he is playing some of the best goalie hockey seen in modern history


It’s not - Huberdeau in place of Tkachuk and Florida loses this series. You can try to downplay 3 game winning goals all you want, he was the MVP of this series.

Bob was elite last playoff run. 7 goals saved above expected in 10 games. Unfortunately Huberdeau produced like a bottom 6 winger and was one of the main reasons they didn’t make a deep run
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25 mai 2023 à 0 h 4
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It’s not - Huberdeau in place of Tkachuk and Florida loses this series. You can try to downplay 3 game winning goals all you want, he was the MVP of this series.

Bob was elite last playoff run. 7 goals saved above expected in 10 games. Unfortunately Huberdeau produced like a bottom 6 winger and was one of the main reasons they didn’t make a deep run


Nope as if Bob is playing like this no matter whose on FLA team they winning. Hes only allowed 2 goals a game till tonight against multiple teams known for scoring goals (Tor and CAR). If he isnt playing like this even with Tkachuck they aint making it out of r2. Huberdeau being on that team especially with this current version of bob would not have changed much as he would have kept the gate closed and FLA would have got the winner through probs Duclair, Barkov, Verheg, heck even Hubey

Now if he was playing like reg season bob sure u would have a case but hes not. Hes playing his best hockey seen in decades. As long as he continues nobody except maybe playoff Eichel's got a shot at stopping him
25 mai 2023 à 0 h 7
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Bob getting hot was just the ticket I guess





If u take out the Boston series man hes probs got the most insane playoff numbers in NHL history
25 mai 2023 à 0 h 7
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Hockey 🤷‍♂️


Remember when Habs fans were fantacizing about winning 1st and 2nd overall with the Panthers pick?
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25 mai 2023 à 0 h 9
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Remember when Habs fans were fantacizing about winning 1st and 2nd overall with the Panthers pick?


God showed mercy but I wonder when it will end probs finals when they meet Eichel
25 mai 2023 à 0 h 13
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Nope as if Bob is playing like this no matter whose on FLA team they winning. Hes only allowed 2 goals a game till tonight against multiple teams known for scoring goals (Tor and CAR). If he isnt playing like this even with Tkachuck they aint making it out of r2. Huberdeau being on that team especially with this current version of bob would not have changed much as he would have kept the gate closed and FLA would have got the winner one way or another

Now if he was playing like reg season bob sure u would have a case but hes not. Hes playing his best hockey seen in decades. As long as he continues nobody except maybe playoff Eichel's got a shot at stopping him


That is just not true. You can't say Bob would carry any team to where FLA is right now. He allows two goals per game consistently, meaning that in order to win, you need at least 3 goals per game to take the W.

Without Tkachuk, they are not scoring those 3 goals. He's been so clutch.

If we're strictly speaking in goalie performance, at least according to GSAx and SV% Jake Oettinger's run against CGY last season is probably the best losing goalie run a single series probably ever, having 10.1 GSAx in 7 games and .954%. Insane stuff, almost impossible to recreate, and still it wasn't enough due to lack of scoring from Dallas' end.

Saying it's all Bob is only half true. FLA as a team has been playing some incredible, effective hockey, and they collectively have been the better team in pretty much every game since BOS Game 4.
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25 mai 2023 à 0 h 18
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Nope as if Bob is playing like this no matter whose on FLA team they winning. Hes only allowed 2 goals a game till tonight against multiple teams known for scoring goals (Tor and CAR). If he isnt playing like this even with Tkachuck they aint making it out of r2. Huberdeau being on that team especially with this current version of bob would not have changed much as he would have kept the gate closed and FLA would have got the winner one way or another

Now if he was playing like reg season bob sure u would have a case but hes not. Hes playing his best hockey seen in decades. As long as he continues nobody except maybe playoff Eichel's got a shot at stopping him


Your logic is so flawed and legitimately insane lol - You’re acting like Bob is out there scoring goals.

With your logic if you put an average player in place of kucherov during tampas 2 cup runs, they would still win. Because Vasilevskiy’s impact in both runs was very similar to 2023 Bob.
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25 mai 2023 à 0 h 21
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Your logic is so flawed and legitimately insane lol - You’re acting like Bob is out there scoring goals.

With your logic if you put an average player in place of kucherov during tampas 2 cup runs, they would still win. Because Vasilevskiy’s impact in both runs was very similar to 2023 Bob.



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That is just not true. You can't say Bob would carry any team to where FLA is right now. He allows two goals per game consistently, meaning that in order to win, you need at least 3 goals per game to take the W.

Without Tkachuk, they are not scoring those 3 goals. He's been so clutch.

If we're strictly speaking in goalie performance, at least according to GSAx and SV% Jake Oettinger's run against CGY last season is probably the best losing goalie run a single series probably ever, having 10.1 GSAx in 7 games and .954%. Insane stuff, almost impossible to recreate, and still it wasn't enough due to lack of scoring from Dallas' end.

Saying it's all Bob is only half true. FLA as a team has been playing some incredible, effective hockey, and they collectively have been the better team in pretty much every game since BOS Game 4.










Without Bob FLA does not get past rounds 2 and 3

Without Tkachuck they dont get past r1

Simple

If your goalie is putting up those numbers it does not matter whose on your team your probs gonna win one way or another. Toronto nor Carolina could solve him allowing for guys to have the confidence and score. If he was allowing beachballs they dont win. As if we look he stole multiple games in both series for them
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25 mai 2023 à 0 h 26
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Without Bob FLA does not get past rounds 2 and 3

Without Tkachuck they dont get past r1 simple

If your goalie is putting up those numbers it does not matter whose on your team


Private models have Bob with 5-7 less GSax. Public models could very well be exaggerating his impact and you’re just running with it because it’s what you want to believe
25 mai 2023 à 0 h 27
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The only thing that might get in his way is playoff Eichel and Cassidy as when u beat Jesus even Walls have to be weary
25 mai 2023 à 0 h 30
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Without Bob FLA does not get past rounds 2 and 3

Without Tkachuck they dont get past r1 simple

If your goalie is putting up those numbers it does not matter whose on your team


So he's allowed 27 goals in last 12 outings, of which they've won 11. Those numbers are great, I'm not denying it, but it's not everything.

You also need to score more goals than your opponent. Not a single one of these 11 wins is a shutout win, meaning the team have to had scored more than the opposing team did in every game. That is where they've succeeded in my opinion just as well as in goaltending. Like I said, their run after BOS series Game 4 as a team has been insane, and obviously the goalie benefits from it too.

Saying that without Bob FLA is not making it past round 2 is only half true, since the whole Florida team had the Leafs players submit in pretty much every aspect of the game against them, to the point this sounds like just regular old Leafs fan copium.
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25 mai 2023 à 0 h 31
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So he's allowed 27 goals in last 12 outings, of which they've won 11. Those numbers are great, I'm not denying it, but it's not everything.

You also need to score more goals than your opponent. Not a single one of these 11 wins is a shutout win, meaning the team have to had scored more than the opposing team did in every game. That is where they've succeeded in my opinion just as well as in goaltending. Like I said, their run after BOS series Game 4 as a team has been insane, and obviously the goalie benefits from it too.

Saying that without Bob FLA is not making it past round 2 is only half true, since the whole Florida team had the Leafs players submit in pretty much every aspect of the game against them, to the point this sounds like just regular old Leafs fan copium.


Charts above explain it best. Bob basically carried FLA through 2 rounds as when your only allowing 2 goals a game (till tonight) and stealing games left and right it gives your team a very good chance of winning

As if we look at round 2 he stole games 1, 2 and 5 vs Toronto and vs. Carolina games 1, 2 and 3

You can think what you want but lets be honest with ourselves hes not playing like a Wall FLA is not here rn. They would have probs been out R2
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25 mai 2023 à 0 h 36
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Charts above explain it best. Bob basically carried FLA through 2 rounds as when your only allowing 2 goals a game (till tonight) and stealing games left and right it gives your team a very good chance of winning

As if we look at round 2 he stole games 1, 2 and 5 vs Toronto and vs. Carolina games 1, 2 and 3

You can think what you want but lets be honest with ourselves hes not playing like a Wall FLA is not here rn. They would have probs been out R2


No one is going to deny Bobrovsky has been excellent in the playoffs. Only issue I have is that your assesment doesn't give enough credit to Florida as a team, who has established a form of hockey that fits everything to a T, which helps everyone, including Bob himself.

Is he a worthy Conn Smythe winner? Absolutely. Is Tkachuk winning it an injustice? Absolutely not.

They haven't been a one man show. They, alongside Vegas, have been the best all around team to make it this far.

I think Otter proved it last year that goalie might steal you a win or a couple in a series, but a goalie alone won't steal the whole series. You need the skaters for that too.
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25 mai 2023 à 0 h 38
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Bob getting hot was just the ticket I guess





If u take out the Boston series man hes probs got the most insane playoff numbers in NHL history


That’s some elite goaltending from Shesterkin. His team must’ve won the series
25 mai 2023 à 0 h 40
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No one is going to deny Bobrovsky has been excellent in the playoffs. Only issue I have is that your assesment doesn't give enough credit to Florida as a team, who has established a form of hockey that fits everything to a T, which helps everyone, including Bob himself.

Is he a worthy Conn Smythe winner? Absolutely. Is Tkachuk winning it an injustice? Absolutely not.

They haven't been a one man show. They, alongside Vegas, have been the best all around team to make it this far.


In general when your goalie is playing well it rallies the team and allows them to do their thing (not in all cases see NYR and Shesterkin). As lets be real if Bob was playing like ass man the panthers would be on an all time low like in the reg season. Him being a Wall allows for the other guys to do their jobs and not just out of desperation like **** they scored 5 we need to do it as our guy cant stop a beachball rn.

As man if he wasnt playing like he did vs. Tor or even Carolina who knows how those series go. I would have a feeling people would be getting the buyout bin ready for him again lul.


VGK its a bit more leaning towards the player than the goalie. Hills been solid but at times also streaky but when hes having issues the boyz seem to bail him out. EDM series especially with playoff Eichel just proving the narrative wrong rn. Cassidy was just what they needed
25 mai 2023 à 0 h 45
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In general when your goalie is playing well it rallies the team and allows them to do their thing. As lets be real if Bob was playing like ass man the team would be on an all time low. Him being a Wall allows for the other guys to do their jobs and not just out of desperation like **** they scored 5 we need to do it.

As man if he wasnt playing like he did vs. Tor or even Carolina who knows how those series go. I would have a feeling people would be getting the buyout bin ready for him again lul.


VGK also has to thank Hill and Eichel. As when Goaltending sucked Eichel and the boys were like alright and gave him some confidence and since game 7 vs. EDM Hills been pretty good. The real MVP though is Eichel man is that guy just taking the bad narrative against him and eating it.


If he was playing like ass, sure, but I'm convinced even the regular level of play would be enough for FLA to be where they currently stand. Hell, Dallas is a good example what happens when a supposedly good team loses their goaltending, because man ours have since the Wild series been waaaay below standard, and still it's been hella tight with Vegas, aside from Game 3. That was a sh*tshow.

Sweeping a series would've been unlikely for FLA without Bob being this good, given all games in the Canes series were one goal games.
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If he was playing like ass, sure, but I'm convinced even the regular level of play would be enough for FLA to be where they currently stand. Hell, Dallas is a good example what happens when a supposedly good team loses their goaltending, because man ours have since the Wild series been waaaay below standard, and still it's been hella tight with Vegas, aside from Game 3. That was a sh*tshow.

Sweeping a series would've been unlikely for FLA without Bob being this good, given all games in the Canes series were one goal games.


In general to me if Bob was playing like reg season Bob FLA doesnt go past r2 as we all saw Leafs just hammer him games 1 2 and 5 but he kept them to 2 goals. Heck idk if he would have been in net by game 4 over Lyon as like last year they might have went maybe Lyon can save us
25 mai 2023 à 0 h 49
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In general to me if Bob was playing like reg season Bob FLA doesnt go past r2 as we all saw Leafs just hammer him games 1 2 and 5 but he kept them to 2 goals. Heck idk if he would have been in net by game 4 over Lyon as like last year they might have went maybe Lyon can save us


Well he was pretty meh in regular season, but against Bruins his SV% was around 90-91 ish. I think that level would've been enough against Toronto, given how good FLA has been. Who knows.

No one is denying FLA benefits from having goalie playing so well...but it's not the full story.
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25 mai 2023 à 1 h 38
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So he's allowed 27 goals in last 12 outings, of which they've won 11. Those numbers are great, I'm not denying it, but it's not everything.

You also need to score more goals than your opponent. Not a single one of these 11 wins is a shutout win, meaning the team have to had scored more than the opposing team did in every game. That is where they've succeeded in my opinion just as well as in goaltending. Like I said, their run after BOS series Game 4 as a team has been insane, and obviously the goalie benefits from it too.

Saying that without Bob FLA is not making it past round 2 is only half true, since the whole Florida team had the Leafs players submit in pretty much every aspect of the game against them, to the point this sounds like just regular old Leafs fan copium.


FLA vs TOR (all situations)
CF 319 CA 308 TOR ✅
FF 251 FA 220 TOR ✅
xGF 17.75 xGA 15.8 TOR ✅
SCF 165 SCA 157 TOR ✅
HDCF 84 HDCA 70 TOR ✅
GF 10 GA 14 FLA
TOR SV% 90.91 FLA SV% 94.25


FLA vs CAR (all situations)
CF 355 CA 272 CAR ✅
FF 256 FA 190 CAR ✅
xGF 18.93 xGA 13.69 CAR ✅
SCF 153 SCA 137 CAR ✅
HDCF 75 HDCA 70 CAR ✅
GF 6 GA 10 FLA
CAR SV% 92.19 FLA 96.55

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25 mai 2023 à 4 h 2
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FLA vs TOR (all situations)
CF 319 CA 308 TOR ✅
FF 251 FA 220 TOR ✅
xGF 17.75 xGA 15.8 TOR ✅
SCF 165 SCA 157 TOR ✅
HDCF 84 HDCA 70 TOR ✅
GF 10 GA 14 FLA
TOR SV% 90.91 FLA SV% 94.25


FLA vs CAR (all situations)
CF 355 CA 272 CAR ✅
FF 256 FA 190 CAR ✅
xGF 18.93 xGA 13.69 CAR ✅
SCF 153 SCA 137 CAR ✅
HDCF 75 HDCA 70 CAR ✅
GF 6 GA 10 FLA
CAR SV% 92.19 FLA 96.55

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So basically all 3 teams goalies played great, but Bob played excellent.

I'm still keeping my stance. Goalies were not the lone reason for Panthers' success
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The first round he scored the OT winner in game 5 when Bob wasn’t at this level yet. Just had one of the most clutch series performances in NHL history . 2 OT winners and the game winner with 4 sec left. It’s close but Tkachuk deserves it.


Tkachuk has been clutch, but Bob has stole games. Without Bob,Tkachuk being clutch doesn't matter because Bob put you in a position to win every night. He was also facing 30+ shots a night.

Imo there was a lot of points where Carolina outplayed Florida but Bob shut the door
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Everyone saying Florida wouldn't have gotten this far without Bobrovsky losing his mind, can't see the forest through the trees.

Throwing around a laundry list of advanced statistics is pointless. If you are ACTUALLY watching the Panthers run this year, it's all right there in front of your eyes. They have figured out how to win games, and that's pretty evident if you're truly watching the games as a whole, not just catching highlights or cherry picking for ones narrative.

Has Bob been otherworldly? Yes. Have the cats gotten luck along the way? Yes, every team who makes it this far has to get lucky at some point or another.

Since game 5 and beyond of the Boston series, they've lost 1 game. They are 11-1 in their last 12 games.

Every aspect of Florida's game is contributing to their success.

"They're an 8 seed" "The refs are helping them" "They got lucky and beat us 4 times"

It's pretty lazy to say the only reason they have been successful is because of a hot goaltender.
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Remember when Habs fans were fantacizing about winning 1st and 2nd overall with the Panthers pick?


I dreamed about Chiarot for Bedard a lot of nights
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