we will give EP the defensemen for that other wise canucks have zero interest

Getting Pettersson starts with Necas and Jarvis and ends with both GMs being fired. Trading Morrow for a young winger such as Hoglander/Podkolzin/Klimovich/Raty + draft pick is reasonable for both sides. Since canes like to be conservative, swapping young D for young forwards is low risk high reward.

Necas and Jarvis? Bahahahahahahahahahaha good joke, get outta here

This was more because I'm getting fed up of seeing Morrow and a 2nd for Rathbone and Boeser proposals.

Would you expect two good young players in an Aho return?

He's the biggest homer on the site. He said dougie Hamilton was the best defensemen in the NHL when he was in Carolina.

Not with 1 year left on his current deal, no. Especially one that's on pace to be just under a point per game

what if he was a 24 yr old 90+ point first line centre RFA?

Nope, because he's in the last year of his contract. Doesn't make a difference if he's RFA or UFA when he's arbitration eligible.

Tired: "Jack Drury is untouchable, he's one of the best prospects out there, only way I'd trade him is in a lopsided deal for a superstar!"
Wired: "Scott Morrow is untouchable, he's one of the best prospects out there, only way I'd trade him is in a lopsided deal for a superstar!"

In fairness here, everyone overrates their own prospects, which is nice and all, but prospects are for peasants...not contending teams.

So what would you trade Aho for if he was 24 yrs old, an RFA, and a 90+ point player?

To be fair, I've never said that about Drury. The only time he was "untouchable" was when Fox was in the system and they wanted to try and get Fox to sign using his Harvard roommate. After that didn't work, he's openly been available. He's just not a throw-in

Let's not act like we're talking about Aho here. Something Aho has which EP doesn't is Aho may be the most complete centerman in the NHL. Analytically, it's him and Hischier. So, let's focus on EP here. He's currently having his only PPG season of his career. Aho's had 5 at this point. Let's not act like EP and Aho are the same here.

EP is arbitration eligible. He's got a fairly expensive QO. He's never proven he can sustain this level of scoring. EP is having his first-ever season scoring at this rate. So, let's not try and argue like he's been a 90 point player his entire career. Good years raise his value, they add homes in Vancouver to his price (get it, because... bad joke)

Ya were not talking about Aho here. We're talking about a 24 yr old 1st line centre that has 90+ points who plays in all situations and has been a top 5 selke candidate since November and carries his line and his team on his back. Pettersson is worth more than Necas and Jarvis. He's as complete as Aho, just add 30 points on top. Aho would have had similar value at 24 years old and an RFA. If you trade Aho/Pettersson for anything less than Necas and Jarvis you probably have a potato as a brain.

Let's use your logic that 1 season makes EP a 90+ point player. Necas is now a 60+ point player and he hit the highest top speed of any skater in hockey last year, meaning he's also faster. Necas' game breaking speed has value, and you can't say he's a winger because he can play both positions. Jarvis put up 40 points last year, so between them that's 100 points and they're producing more than EP for half the cap hit. Jarvis can also play both positions. Both are signed through next year where EP is on an expiring deal. If you think that kind of return is in line for a player like EP, you don't have a brain as opposed to having a potato. That's an AWFUL take.

Oh and trying yo use selke votes to justify EP being more compelete? Aho's been a top 10 selke candidate for years now. Get real. He's got a better xGA, he's got a better CA, and he's got better underlyings across the board. He won't win anything because Carolina is a Southern market and it is notoriously difficult for players in southern markets to win trophies. If it wasn't, Barkov would win the Selke annually.

2021-14th in selke
2020-25th
2019-No votes
2018-12th
2017-No votes
2016-No votes

Not top 10 for years. Came close but not close to top 5. And the underlying stats are marginally better for Aho in the offensive zone but worse in his own end.

Jarvis is putting up 30-50 points in 82 games, middle 6 forward. Necas is putting up near ppg, top 6 forward. Pettersson putting up 1.31 ppg top 5 centre in the league top 5 selke candidate. If you think he's worth less than Necas and Jarvis then all I can say is that im shocked.

Interesting conversation going on here. Looks like 1 side is using this year's stats as a base case for a career and the other is using team stats because the Canes are just a much better team. I'm no fan of EP, but that's mostly because EVERYONE keeps saying he's SOOO good. I feel like last night's game against the Hawks is his career so far. A lot of hype...he got two goals last night and was terrible. He was invisible! I don't know if I've seen a game like that before. 2 goals in a 4-2 win...looked invisible and was a minus 1. You can't get that stat line even if you try. VAN should trade him away in the off season. They're not getting better before they get worse. They've got a terrible farm system and too many albatross contracts.

seems like 1 side is using 1 game as a sample!

having 1 100 points players is mikes better than having 2 players that scores 100 together. everyone one knows that.

Talking about invisible? I have Aho in fantasy this year and 3-4 times he's gone like 5 games in a row with no points. Being invisible and putting up points is a good combo. Being invisible and not putting up points is bad unless you're Chris Tanev.

Necas is also leeching off the power play too. He has more ppp than Pettersson. Petey is an even strength monster which is where the majority of the game is played. That's where the real value is. You could put Justin Holl on the canes power play and he'd have as many points as Necas.

Yes, that elite Canes powerplay that sits in the bottom 10 in the NHL...

Aho also has 3 hat tricks... he has 1 less than Thompson who leads the league in that category...

You really using Selke voting again, if that is how you're justifying most complete forward, find a new sport. Honestly.

The underlyings are better across the ice for Aho using EH's RAPM Chart.

Necas is a PPG on the 2nd best team in hockey that is known for it's defensive structure at the cost of it's offense. He also possesses elite speed. Jarvis is a 21 year old 40 point winger. You want both for a center that is having his first year over a PPG... all I can say is I'm shocked

Oh 100% agreed! I wasn't trying to say he's always invisible and that's a fact. It just feels like everyone's claiming EP is AMAZING. Seems like he's just way too hyped. Feels like...not facts...