Montreal already reportedly turned down a 1st for Anderson, adding Foegele to a deal with a 1st lowers the value of the 1st so you need to add at least a B level prospect and not a LD prospect either.

Detroit says maybe, but it all depends on what other forwards get moved. As of now, Zadina got sent on conditioning, and will need a spot when his stint is over.

Someone offered a 1st for Anderson? Source?

MTL already declined a 1st for Josh Anderson without retention, so MTL aren't retaining, would take more than a 1st round pick and Foegele is negative value. Underwhelming offer in our GM eyes

At the 2022 TDL, a team offered a 2022 1st round pick for Anderson but Kent Hughes said it wasn't enough
Per Pierre LeBrun

It's been all over the news for the last 2 weeks

They declined it and said they will not move Anderson unless someone massively overpays.

Dreger also said just yesterday that it would take a massive deal for Montreal to part with Anderson and Dreger is a major Leafs homer, so that tells you how good the deal has to be.



See link

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/insider-trading-what-kind-of-offer-would-the-habs-need-to-trade-anderson-1.1914549

That's not really offering a 1st. I think that is GM-manship. Hughes is trying to drive up the cost for Anderson. A player who eclipsed the 20 goal mark only once (though he probably nets around 25 this year), doesn't get a 1st. He's not a bad player, but he isn't worth a 1st and he isn't worth his contract.

I was under the impression that its generally accepted that this is a rumuor spread by MTL top office to raise his value

You are missing the point, the offer of a 1st has already been turned down, coupled with the fact that Dreger says it would take a significant overpayment, that means that at least a 1st and another good piece have to be included, Foegele is not another good piece.

I think you are the one thats missing the point. People are saying is there actually such a deal though. Like actually

Obviously no other GM has actual interest in Josh Anderson, the only people who have brought it are Hughes himself, Peirre Lebrun, Elliot Friedman, Darren Dreger, Frank Serivalle, Bob Mackenzie and just about every other insider and expert.

I get how fans of other teams are weary of his trade value discussions on here but Habs fans are literally being told by just about every talking head that's it been confirmed other teams have interest in Josh Anderson, so I don't get why the skepticism on this site about his value

I feel obliged to let my fellow Habs fans know that Dreger/Lebrun's rumor/statement simply says that a team offered a 1st for Anderson and Hughes declined but it doesn't mention anything else. This is clever writing by Lebrun because he's not lying, a team probably did offer a 1st but there were strings attached which is why Hughes probably declined.....

It doesn't mention anything about a cap dump being returned as part of the package nor if there was retention needed by MTL. Literally no team in the playoffs right now has cap space to add Anderson's full cap without either sending some back or Habs retaining. So what, the Ducks offered a first for Anderson? Chicago? Buffalo? All currently lottery picks..... Come on now.

So, did a team offer

Mystery 2023 1st round pick
for
Anderson

or

BOS 2023 1st round pick
Mike Reilly
for
Anderson (50%) retained


My guess is the latter. Im a Habs fan and if a team offers a 1st for Anderson straight up, no strings attached, Hughes should be fired for not accepting. They would have accepted had that been the offer by itself but it cleary wasn't.

I think Pittsburgh acquiring Rakell is a good comparison. For me, I considered the 1st the add to the trade. I could see a prospect too, but I dont you will get anything massive. We are bound to see eventually though. What are your personal opinion, is his play warranting a 1st this year?

There are many reasons Hughes could have turned down the offer of a 1st but you are only looking at the negatives and not looking at it objectively.

1. It could have been a mid or late 2022 1st since it was offered at the last TDL not this year.
2. It could have been a 2024 or 2025 1st which Hughes and company feel like they will be done or mostly done their rebuild
3. It could have had conditions that Montreal just was not comfortable with like retention or whatever
4. It could be that Hughes like LeBrun and Dreger say just feel like Josh has more value in a Habs uniform than a mid/late 1st round pick offers.

I mean, whats more realistic though...... I know Anderson gets a lot of unwarranted hate on here but he's not Crosby for crying out loud.

Technically Hughes could value Anderson for five 1sts, Bedard and a klondike bar....that's also a possibility.

Even Anderson at his peak form isn't worth some of those things. I like Hughes and Gorton, I got to think they know Anderson isn't a superstar here either. The cap isn't rising much next year, teams capped out this year, Anderson isn't a superstar....at a certain point what could you possibly expect a team to realistically offer?

Why would you have that impression? The vibe has generally been that Montreal doesn't particularly want to trade Anderson, but that they'll listen to offers.

LeBrun has reported that Montreal turned down a 1st.
Dreger has reported that teams want Anderson and speculated that it would take a 1st and top prospect for Montreal to move him (offered a Calgary example of Pelletier, a 1st, a contract and something else)

I'm not really sure why Edmonton would want Anderson in the first place, but Montreal isn't going to retain on him and take Foegele's contract for just a 1st.

Bull****. If Hughes refused a 1st for that pile of **** with one of the worst contacts in the league, he should be fired on the spot.

Anderson has got to be the most overrated player in the league. He has scored more than 19 goals ONCE in his career - 5 years ago. He has scored more than 32 points ONCE in his career - 5 years ago. His playoff stats are terrible. He's injury prone and owed $23.5M over the next 4 seasons. He's a cap dump, pure and simple. You're delusional if you think he's worth a 1st or more.

i also think hes pretty bad but im just saying what I heard.

Thank you. This is exactly why i was surprised a 1st was offered up for Anderson. Anderson for a first is more crazy than Bertuzzi for a first, at least Bertuzzi is a cap friendly rental 1 year removed from a 30 goal season; and honestly, it is a stretch with the way Bertuzzi has played that a second might be over his value, unless he shows signs of life in February.

We don’t think he is worth it, apparently he is
Anyway you are always wrong and you hide when a trade happens