or you could just keep engvall in the line up, he's better than Domi, and then you dont have to trade Holl for nothing and make the defence worse

And this idea works out perfect since the Hawks decline that offer anyway.

neat, Im excited for him to not only end up on a team other than the leafs, but see just how underwhelming the return for him is, again.

Not even close to enough value for ROR......

Why are you trading Holl? You don't need Domi if you're adding ROR. It'll cost more to acquire ROR. Your offer is easily outbid.

Pretty bad offers from TOR:

Abrueze has been poor at best and if he surpasses expectations hes barely a bottom NHL forward, but really he has ZERO value

Robertson's value is probably quite low, in multiple stints on an offensive powerhouse team he has not produced, add his diminutive size and injuries and he doesn;t have enough value to swing that deal. Steeves is nice, but hes a midlevel prospect.

The 2nd for ROR is 2024, likely low in the round and TWO drafts away.

Ultimately this is a case of what you'd like to give up, rather than what the other team would want

Gee, we have seen so many trades lately that have no appreciation of "roster creation" . Here's another just giving away a 20m a night RHD and not getting one in return.

So you think if Engvall was on the Hawks in Domi's position he would do better? Or on the other hand you think if Domi was put in the position that Engvall has had an opportunity with on the Leaf's roster, he would do worse?

I mean let's just ignore stats that Domi has 10 more points and 3 more goals on a far worse team and with worse line-mates then Engvall who's had multiple chances playing in the top 6 in Toronto with loaded line-mates.

Oh yeah, I forgot that you're going to tell me that Engvall is a defensive powerhouse and Domi is the worst defensive forward in the league! Don't worry, not a chance Hawks do this trade anyway and not a chance 90% of GMs would do a even swap Engvall for Domi either

Yes, i do. Domi is that bad and engvall could easily have 3 more goals and 7 more assists playing sheltered offensive zone, 1st power play time with 6 more mins a game while shooting at an unsustainable rate. The difference is engvall would actually make the line better defensively and he can actually play center.
As far as the rest goes, most people are able to understand the very simple deduction that me saying engvall being that much bettet than domi isnt me saying engvall is amazing, it is saying domi is just worse.
I know it is medically impossible for you to think a hawks player is bad, but it's true. Domi is just thst bad, and you'd know if you watched a game once and a while.