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Créé par: djmbrown

Équipe: 2022-23 Flames de Calgary

Date de création initiale: 17 déc. 2022

Publié: 17 déc. 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Flames aren’t going anywhere with this team the way it is. We either deal away more prospects and picks to try and maybe compete or restock the cupboards ahead of the deepest draft in a long time.
Realistically not all these trades are perfect and may need a pick added one way or the other. But this idea is what I believe the Flames need to consider. I tried to consider what other teams needs might be based on their rosters etc. I also tried to think about which teams wanted to dump contracts (Drouin, Zaitsev, Etc). I also figured most teams have to give up a first to shed a really bad contract like Myers’. So a first and a second is a steal for that.

Opinions?

Transactions

CGY

Engvall, Pierre
Holl, Justin
Kerfoot, Alexander
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (TOR)

TOR

Backlund, Mikael (2 000 000 $ retained)
Zadorov, Nikita

CGY

Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYI)

NYI

Toffoli, Tyler (2 000 000 $ retained)

CGY

Erne, Adam
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (DET)

DET

Coleman, Blake
Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (CGY)

CGY

Drouin, Jonathan
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (MTL)

MTL

Huberdeau, Jonathan

CGY

Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (TBL)

TBL

Lewis, Trevor

CGY

Zaitsev, Nikita
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (OTT)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (WSH)

OTT

Tanev, Christopher

CGY

Petersen, Cal
Shafigullin, Bulat [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (LAK)

LAK

Markström, Jacob
Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (TBL)

CGY

Kapanen, Kasperi
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PIT)

PIT

Choix de 7e ronde en 2025 (CGY)

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Mikael Backlund: 2 000 000 $ (37.38%)
Tyler Toffoli: 2 000 000 $ (94.12%)

Enfoui

Kevin Rooney: 175 000 $ (1 300 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	74 387 500 $	0 $	0 $	8 112 500 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Ruzicka, Adam 762 500 $762 500 $ AG, C UFA - 2	Lindholm, Elias 4 850 000 $4 850 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Mangiapane, Andrew 5 800 000 $5 800 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3
Dubé, Dillon 2 300 000 $2 300 000 $ AG, AD, C RFA - 2	Kadri, Nazem 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ C NMC UFA - 7	Drouin, Jonathan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1
Erne, Adam 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, C, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Kapanen, Kasperi 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AD UFA - 2
Lucic, Milan 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Phillips, Matthew 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1	Engvall, Pierre 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
	Zohorna, Radim 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Ritchie, Brett 750 000 $750 000 $ AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Hanifin, Noah 1 237 500 $1 237 500 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Andersson, Rasmus 4 550 000 $4 550 000 $ DD UFA - 4
	Zaitsev, Nikita 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Vladar, Daniel 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Weegar, MacKenzie 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Holl, Justin 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Petersen, Cal 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 3
Mackey, Connor 912 500 $912 500 $ DG UFA - 1	Stone, Michael 750 000 $750 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
	Kylington, Oliver 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2

17 déc. 2022 à 1 h 10

mokumboi

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These are all over the shop, man. And at least, 4-5 of those teams are not handing you their 1sts.

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17 déc. 2022 à 1 h 10

CoachCoach

Rejoint: juill. 2022

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So when thinking about team needs, how does Detroit need a 31 yo who doesn't make them a playoff team, at the cost of a potential lottery pick?

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17 déc. 2022 à 1 h 14

KingExLeafs

Rejoint: juill. 2021

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Drop the two 1st round picks.

aedoran a aimé ceci.

17 déc. 2022 à 1 h 19

Caniac555

Hurricane Waddell

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What would the ask for Lindholm back to the Canes be?

aedoran a aimé ceci.

17 déc. 2022 à 1 h 22

djmbrown

Démarrer sujet

DBrown

Rejoint: mai 2018

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Quoting: Caniac555

What would the ask for Lindholm back to the Canes be?

Depends if the flames had to take Kotkaniemi too or not haha

aedoran a aimé ceci.

17 déc. 2022 à 2 h 40

aedoran

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Is this serious of are you mocking a team that severely overvalue their own players?

DeadWingsv2 a aimé ceci.

17 déc. 2022 à 4 h 25

LIRIK

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There is a few players i'd agree MTL give their 2023 1st for. Huberdeau is not one of them.

17 déc. 2022 à 4 h 45

Lancebmx

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Toronto is not giving up two firsts for what might not even be a lateral move, they might even be worse after that trade.
Maybe retained Toffoli might get a first from a team.
You have the first round pick going the wrong way in the Detroit trade.
Montreal is not trading a first for a $10M player who is under performing right now.
Lewis isn't even worth a 5th.
Not sure on value of that Tanev trade for Ottawa. He is getting up there in age but it would be an upgrade.
Maybe LA does that.
Don't know how you turn a seventh in 2025 into Kapanen and a first next year.

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17 déc. 2022 à 8 h 11

DeadWingsv2

PlusMinus is stupid

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Everyone easily declines.

Cooper2015 et aedoran a aimé ceci.

17 déc. 2022 à 9 h 24

#10

MoSeider53

Future Norris guy

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Sorry but a 31 year old Blake Coleman isn't worth a potential top 10 pick in the deepest draft in recent memory.

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17 déc. 2022 à 9 h 33

#11

jpsnow13

You know nothing JS

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You have an identity crisis. Flames are chasing a cup by signing long term 30+ y.o. UFAs, and here you are trying to flip them for picks like a tanking team. Good luck with that.

aedoran a aimé ceci.

17 déc. 2022 à 9 h 36

#12

RipNasty

Rip

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Quoting: KingExLeafs

Drop the two 1st round picks.

And TO still says no, they can't afford to add dead cap weight. Zadarov is just big and mean, he actually sucks. And Backlund doesn't do enough to match 2 good players contribution.

aedoran a aimé ceci.

17 déc. 2022 à 9 h 48

#13

palhal

LongtimeLeafsufferer

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Too much cap going to non Flame teams, and certainly teams would be that cap to sign players not giving away for rounders.

IF you're unhappy now....think of all the years you're going be unhappy now with these Kadri and Huberneau never ending contracts

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17 déc. 2022 à 13 h 47

#14

Traptor

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Quoting: Caniac555

What would the ask for Lindholm back to the Canes be?

Probably starts with Jarvis or Necas

17 déc. 2022 à 13 h 48

#15

Traptor

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Quoting: RipNasty

And TO still says no, they can't afford to add dead cap weight. Zadarov is just big and mean, he actually sucks. And Backlund doesn't do enough to match 2 good players contribution.

You have not watched Zadorov if you think he sucks. He has been a top player for the flames. He is a ****ing monster not afraid to use his size, and he skates and moves the puck well.

17 déc. 2022 à 14 h 11

#16

RipNasty

Rip

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Quoting: Traptor

You have not watched Zadorov if you think he sucks. He has been a top player for the flames. He is a ****ing monster not afraid to use his size, and he skates and moves the puck well.

He does not skate well and he isn't great at moving the puck. He's just big and a pile of people can't see beyond that.

17 déc. 2022 à 14 h 26

#17

Traptor

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Quoting: RipNasty

He does not skate well and he isn't great at moving the puck. He's just big and a pile of people can't see beyond that.

You're wrong and it's obvious you don't watch many flames games.

I'd be more than happy if the flames kept him, he's legit.

17 déc. 2022 à 15 h 56

#18

RipNasty

Rip

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Quoting: Traptor

You're wrong and it's obvious you don't watch many flames games.

I'd be more than happy if the flames kept him, he's legit.

He's all yours

17 déc. 2022 à 16 h 10

#19

Caniac555

Hurricane Waddell

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Nah, we’re good.

Quoting: Traptor

Probably starts with Jarvis or Necas

17 déc. 2022 à 18 h 22

#20

Mental_yuppi

Rejoint: nov. 2022

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MTL ain't paying for a local player who didn't want to wait to sign here as a UFA, and they're definitely not overpaying like crazy to get him, lol

19 déc. 2022 à 14 h 51

#21

Redstinger

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This is a joke. Detroit isn't trading their firsts, especially not this year's. Not to mention we have no need for Coleman.

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