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Size and speed in bottom six

Créé par: NHLfan10506
Date de création initiale: 24 nov. 2022
Publié: 24 nov. 2022
Équipe: 2023-24 Devils du New Jersey
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Habs fans have been insistent that Devils are aggressively pursuing Anderson. Sounds like these “rumors” are mostly click-bait. But I’ll play along.

For Comtois - Ducks get a few good pieces here, including a huge dman and speedy center.

For Meier - Considering the timing of the trade before you respond. This would be after season, before first arbitration window. In other words, if it gets to this point, Meier would not be extending in San Jose and the best case option for the Sharks would be to get 1-year arb award of around $8.5m. That would leave one last window between January 2024 (when extension can first occur) and March (2024 deadline) for Sharks to trade him. instead of hanging onto him for possible late 1st rounder in 2024, they take a top-forward back in Sharangovich.

For Anderson - to start, there would have to be a significant amount of his $5.5 million salary and he worth about $1.8m. There is no viable deal that exists with Devils taking full salary.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Filmon, Josh3950 000 $
Hughes, Luke3950 000 $
Gritsyuk, Arseni2950 000 $
McCarthy, Case2950 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Bratt, Jesper88 500 000 $
Sharangovich, Yegor44 000 000 $
Zetterlund, Fabian42 750 000 $
Walsh, Reilly2850 000 $
Bahl, Kevin2850 000 $
Comtois, Maxime32 250 000 $
Meier, Timo67 750 000 $
Bastian, Nathan21 050 000 $
Mcleod, Michael21 050 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Graves, Ryan34 000 000 $
Wood, Miles33 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
NJD
  1. Comtois, Maxime [Droits de RFA]
ANA
  1. Bahl, Kevin
  2. Boqvist, Jesper [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 2023 ronde en 2e (NJD)
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NJD
  1. Meier, Timo [Droits de RFA]
SJS
  1. Sharangovich, Yegor
  2. Stillman, Chase
Détails additionnels:
After season, before first Arbitration window. Extension agree to beforehand.
3.
NJD
  1. Anderson, Josh (2 750 000 $ retained)
MTL
  1. Blackwood, Mackenzie [Droits de RFA]
  2. McCarthy, Case
  3. Choix de 2024 ronde en 2e (NJD)
Détails additionnels:
A goalie to compete with Allen. Case McCarthy is stay-at-home RD who plays with chip on his shoulder (and is currently Lane Hutson’s line partner at BU).
Rachats de contrats
  • Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $
  • Janne Kuokkanen: 325 000 $
Frais appliqués
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $
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2383 500 000 $83 466 667 $0 $1 390 000 $33 333 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Palat, Ondrej
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 4
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Hughes, Jack
8 000 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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Bratt, Jesper
8 500 000 $
AD, AG
RFA
Meier, Timo
7 750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
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Hischier, Nico
7 250 000 $
C
UFA - 4
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Zetterlund, Fabian
2 750 000 $
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Comtois, Maxime
2 250 000 $
AG
RFA
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Mercer, Dawson
894 167 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
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Anderson, Josh
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UFA - 4
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Wood, Miles
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AG
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Mcleod, Michael
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Bastian, Nathan
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Siegenthaler, Jonas
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Hamilton, Dougie
9 000 000 $
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UFA - 5
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Vanecek, Vitek
3 400 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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Graves, Ryan
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA
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Marino, John
4 400 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
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Schmid, Akira
850 833 $
G
RFA - 1
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Smith, Brendan
1 100 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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Hughes, Luke
950 000 $
DG/DD
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Okhotiuk, Nikita
789 167 $
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Foote, Nolan
863 333 $
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Holtz, Alexander
894 167 $
AD, AG
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Équipe de réserve
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Nemec, Simon
950 000 $ (0 $)
DD
RFA - 2
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Mukhamadullin, Shakir
894 167 $ (0 $)
DD
RFA - 2
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Walsh, Reilly
850 000 $ (0 $)
DD
RFA
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Filmon, Josh
950 000 $ (0 $)
AG
RFA
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Gritsyuk, Arseni
950 000 $ (0 $)
AG
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Thompson, Tyce
762 500 $ (0 $)
AD
RFA - 1
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Daws, Nico
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24 nov. 2022 à 7 h 11
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Sort of a cool deal but that doesn’t get Verbeek to trade Comtois away
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I'd like to figure out a deal where the Ducks get Shak.
24 nov. 2022 à 7 h 40
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Big no from Quebec, 0 chance we retain and if we do 0 chance we retain for that return.
24 nov. 2022 à 7 h 42
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Interesting trade for Anderson, but Habs are not going to tie up retention slots for 4.5 years. They would rather keep the player.

Please understand it's not that your value is off, it's the reality of only having 3 active retentions
24 nov. 2022 à 8 h 15
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I'd like to figure out a deal where the Ducks get Shak.


👀👀 who?
24 nov. 2022 à 8 h 22
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👀👀 who?


Shakir Mukhamadullin...Devs 20th OA pick in 2020...Big boy LD which should fill the required specs.
24 nov. 2022 à 8 h 23
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Shakir Mukhamadullin...Devs 20th OA pick in 2020...Big boy LD which should fill the required specs.


Ahhh but I feel like we have to many defensemen his age in the system
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24 nov. 2022 à 8 h 27
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Ahhh but I feel like we have to many defensemen his age in the system


Just dress more defensemen. Put 10 or 12 of them in the lineup if needed. It's the least we can do for Gibster.
24 nov. 2022 à 9 h 26
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Big no from Quebec, 0 chance we retain and if we do 0 chance we retain for that return.


Without any retention, it’s unlikely anyone bids for him. So if there are rumors of a bidding war, it’s likely Kent has offered some serious money back.

We are talking about 30-point 4th liner here
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24 nov. 2022 à 9 h 29
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Seems a bit high for Josh Anderson, when we already have the best 4th line in the league.
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24 nov. 2022 à 9 h 38
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I'd like to figure out a deal where the Ducks get Shak.


He is a personal favorite of our GM (probably in part because he has had to often defend drafting him at #20 as he was slated to be around 50-75). So far, so good. But has only played a few games in North America thus far. So we shall see next year.

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👀👀 who?


Shakir Mukhamadullin, RD, Ufa (KHL). 1st round pick from a couple of years ago. Big, long-reach with very fluid skating style. Is a lefty who plays exclusively at RD. Still a little thin, could use a few more pounds. Set numerous records as teenager in KHL. Has turned into polarizing prospect as his game can be unorthodox at times. Especially in his activations from blue line. Detractors see him as raw, undisciplined, even sloppy. Supporters see him as genius, intelligent, creative, aggressive. He will likely arrive in North America at end of this season when KHL is over (his current contract ends this year), will probably will play 2023-24 in AHL and be ready for NHL in 2024-25.

Huge upside, high-ceiling but very low floor type of prospect. Boom/bust.
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24 nov. 2022 à 9 h 39
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Without any retention, it’s unlikely anyone bids for him. So if there are rumors of a bidding war, it’s likely Kent has offered some serious money back.

We are talking about 30-point 4th liner here


Ya lebrun already said teams want him without retention he is a very popular player in GM circles.
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24 nov. 2022 à 9 h 51
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Ah yes using the metrics that determined nick suzuki was one of the worst nhl contracts. Super reliable
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24 nov. 2022 à 10 h 15
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Ah yes using the metrics that determined nick suzuki was one of the worst nhl contracts. Super reliable


Okay well, Habs fans can go back to offering Anderson for Jack Hughes or for Nemec+. And Devils fans will go back to ignoring Habs fans.

Just easier that way for us.
24 nov. 2022 à 10 h 18
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That Meier proposal looks pretty bad tbh.

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Then don't propose a trade for him?

Montreal's not going to retain 50% on Anderson, they don't even want to trade him. They certainly going to retain 50% for a nothing prospect, a future late 2nd and a goalie like Blackwood.

And if you're using data to argue that, I'd point out that you're arguing that Montreal should trade for one of the worst tandem goalies analytically in the NHL this season to replace one of the best.
24 nov. 2022 à 10 h 24
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Okay well, Habs fans can go back to offering Anderson for Jack Hughes or for Nemec+. And Devils fans will go back to ignoring Habs fans.

Just easier that way for us.


I checked the first 2 pages of the habs agms and new jersey agm and that was literally never proposed. Nice hyperbole though
24 nov. 2022 à 10 h 29
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I checked the first 2 pages of the habs agms and new jersey agm and that was literally never proposed. Nice hyperbole though


Ok, sure, lets pretend all those trade offers from before draft never happened.
24 nov. 2022 à 10 h 35
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Ok, sure, lets pretend all those trade offers from before draft never happened.


You are whining about stuff from 6 months ago? Jesus let it go
24 nov. 2022 à 10 h 35
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Then don't propose a trade for him?

Montreal's not going to retain 50% on Anderson, they don't even want to trade him. They certainly going to retain 50% for a nothing prospect, a future late 2nd and a goalie like Blackwood.

And if you're using data to argue that, I'd point out that you're arguing that Montreal should trade for one of the worst tandem goalies analytically in the NHL this season to replace one of the best.


I don't want to trade for him. But am showing a much more realistic offer that all the crap Habs nation has been sending us for last 6 months.

Since he signed his ridiculous contract in Montreal, he is #306 in WAR among NHL Forwards (out of 308).
Third to last.

For a team to take his full contract, Habs are paying a large amount in picks.
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24 nov. 2022 à 10 h 39
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You are whining about stuff from 6 months ago? Jesus let it go


I said, "Devils fans will go back to ignoring Habs fans. Just easier that way for us."

call it what you want.
24 nov. 2022 à 10 h 48
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I'd like to figure out a deal where the Ducks get Shak.


Shak for Zegras👀👀
24 nov. 2022 à 10 h 50
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Shak for Zegras👀👀


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24 nov. 2022 à 11 h 5
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I don't want to trade for him. But am showing a much more realistic offer that all the crap Habs nation has been sending us for last 6 months.

Since he signed his ridiculous contract in Montreal, he is #306 in WAR among NHL Forwards (out of 308).
Third to last.

For a team to take his full contract, Habs are paying a large amount in picks.


Literally every insider has talked about him being in demand, and how they've reported on him is wildly different that what you deem "realistic".

Its fine that you think he has negative value, but you're opinion on his value has as much value as the proposals you're complaining about.
24 nov. 2022 à 11 h 16
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Zegras has -3 plus minus, Shak has 0

Ducks add a 2nd and it’s fair
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