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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 15
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Trade confirmed: Ottawa Senators - Washington Capitals
Détails de la transaction
Les Sénateurs d'Ottawa font l’acquisition de:
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Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (WSH)
Somme: 0 $0 $0 $
Variation: -3 600 000 $
Variation: -3 600 000 $
Variation: -4 000 000 $
Les Capitals de Washington font l’acquisition de:
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Connor Brown · 3 600 000 $3 600 000 $4 000 000 $
Somme: 3 600 000 $3 600 000 $4 000 000 $
Variation: +3 600 000 $
Variation: +3 600 000 $
Variation: +4 000 000 $
13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 17
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 17
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 17
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we all are
13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 17
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Announce Pacioretty
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 18
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WSH wins
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 19
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This confuses me for the sens. They make a big splash trading for DeBrincat, Talbot, and signing Giroux. Then they give up a valuable player. Confusing. Great deal for the caps though!
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 20
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This will be the best trade we have made in a while.
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 21
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Quoting: boombadoomba
This confuses me for the sens. They make a big splash trading for DeBrincat, Talbot, and signing Giroux. Then they give up a valuable player. Confusing. Great deal for the caps though!


There’s no room for him with all the wingers they have, they definitely could’ve gotten a little more though.
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 22
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It amazes me that Pierre Dorion went from being a humpty-dumpty like pariah to the saviour of our team in a matter of days.

Well, here's a reality check:

He just sold himself short ... again.



This is the Mark Stone trade all over again.

Washington wins the trade.
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 24
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Quoting: sensonfire
It amazes me that Pierre Dorion went from being a humpty-dumpty like pariah to the saviour of our team in a matter of days.

Well, here's a reality check:

He just sold himself short ... again.



This is the Mark Stone trade all over again.

Washington wins the trade.


I agree Washington won, but Mark Stone all over again?!?! This isn’t close to the Mark Stone trade.
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 25
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Quoting: boombadoomba
This confuses me for the sens. They make a big splash trading for DeBrincat, Talbot, and signing Giroux. Then they give up a valuable player. Confusing. Great deal for the caps though!


He's not gonna be back and the Sens have other 3rd line options. Ottawa wants to bring in a top 4 D, so they get an asset to presumably flip out in that deal, and they give themselves some financial flexibility.
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 25
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A 2nd round draft pick only have about a third chance of playing 100 or more games in the NHL and an equal chance of never playing a single game. Ottawa should have been able to get more.
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 28
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
He's not gonna be back and the Sens have other 3rd line options. Ottawa wants to bring in a top 4 D, so they get an asset to presumably flip out in that deal, and they give themselves some financial flexibility.


Good points! I'd still say Washington wins.
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 29
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Sucks they didn't get a little more, but they probably didn't have the best leverage given his open desire to hit the open market, and Ottawa's desire to move him out with no money back.

Not a great deal, but not enough to knock the Pierre Dorion train off the tracks.
13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 29
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Quoting: boombadoomba
Good points! I'd still say Washington wins.


Oh For sure, Washington does great here
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 34
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Leaned Wash win but to avoid being called a homer I'll say fair deal.

Ottawa gets an asset and clears space, Caps get a top 6 winger option they needed with Wilson out till at least December but most likely February.
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13 juill. 2022 à 19 h 38
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13 juill. 2022 à 21 h 25
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Quoting: sensonfire
It amazes me that Pierre Dorion went from being a humpty-dumpty like pariah to the saviour of our team in a matter of days.

Well, here's a reality check:

He just sold himself short ... again.



This is the Mark Stone trade all over again.

Washington wins the trade.


Wow.

That is complete hyperbole comparing a third line matchup/defensive winger to Mark Stone, a borderline franchise player.

Connor Brown's career average is 39 points. That takes into consideration that he has played an inflated role by virtue of being on a rebuilding team with poor depth. On a contender, he is a 10-15 goal 25-35 point defensive winger. He is great in that role, but that isn't the kind of player that commands a huge return.

The market is limited when teams cannot take back cap as a function of the trade. Teams would have likely offered more if Ottawa was willing to take back a contract. Ottawa's motivation to trade Brown was to clear 4 million dollars to help fund more important pieces like Debrincat, Giroux, Talbot, and their next big acquisition. Brown was the odd man out because he is unlikely to be re-signed, he will see a decreased role due to the acquisition of actual top 6 forwards, and the Senators added a younger player who can occupy what his role in the middle 6 would be for slightly cheaper in Joseph.

This was a great trade by Dorion. He got an asset, and he cleared 4 million dollars. Similar players to Brown weren't commanding 1st round picks at the trade deadline. Nor were they last year during the off season. Anybody who pays attention to the trends in the league knew Brown wasn't getting anywhere near what some of the Sens fans on here thought was worth. I have never seen such a consistently inflated evaluation of a player's value. The only reason anybody is disappointed with this trade is because they weren't living in reality.

Is it a home run of a return? No. But it is great work to dump Brown in this tight cap environment and get a 2nd round pick.

I assure you that we will hear over the next week that Edmonton dropped out because they wanted Ottawa to take a player like Puljujarvi or someone else in order to equalize the cap.
13 juill. 2022 à 21 h 30
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Quoting: CSStrowbridge
A 2nd round draft pick only have about a third chance of playing 100 or more games in the NHL and an equal chance of never playing a single game. Ottawa should have been able to get more.


You cannot look at trades like this in a world where there is a salary cap, and teams do not have the perpetual rights to players.

Draft picks are currency, a store of value. In addition, teams have a finite amount of cap or money they can spend. Which means they sometimes need to cycle out players in order to free up cap or salary to fill more important needs, or to recoup value for a player who they will not be able to re-sign, either because the player won't re-sign or because it is not possible under the cap.
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13 juill. 2022 à 23 h 43
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That is the Dorion we know and love.

Welcome back!
13 juill. 2022 à 23 h 50
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Nor were they last year during the off season. Anybody who pays attention to the trends in the league knew Brown wasn't getting anywhere near what some of the Sens fans on here thought was worth. I have never seen such a consistently inflated evaluation of a player's value. The only reason anybody is disappointed with this trade is because they weren't living in reality.

I assure you that we will hear over the next week that Edmonton dropped out because they wanted Ottawa to take a player like Puljujarvi or someone else in order to equalize the cap.


I can agree to this and argued with Sens fans over and over that they werent getting Puljujarvi and a pick. It also wasnt the TDL whereas teams had cap certainty. Made no sense how Sens fans thought they were getting a lehkonen return. They had no leverage.
14 juill. 2022 à 1 h 26
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
I can agree to this and argued with Sens fans over and over that they werent getting Puljujarvi and a pick. It also wasnt the TDL whereas teams had cap certainty. Made no sense how Sens fans thought they were getting a lehkonen return. They had no leverage.


The cap is incredibly restrictive right now.

I don't know how on the same day that Max Pacioretty was traded for future considerations, someone can argue that Dorion did poorly by getting a 2nd round pick for a matchup forward who was on pace for 12 goals over 82 games. He did it while dumping 3.6M in cap (4M in real money) and taking nothing back.

Although Pacioretty has a 7M cap hit, he also is a first line power forward who was on pace for 39 goals. Additionally, he only makes 1.25M more than Brown in real money. He has a no trade clause, but it was only a 10 team clause.

The point I am illustrating is that it is very hard to dump players right now without taking back cap. Teams value cap, and there isn't enough cap to go around. Most teams that do have cap do not have the revenue to back it up with real dollars, so they cannot use most of that cap unless it is for superficial cap hits that won't cost them much in real money.

It wouldn't surprise me if Edmonton offered Puljujarvi and a pick, because they needed to move out Puljujarvi's expected 3-4 million dollar cap hit to get Brown, but the Senators couldn't take back the cash. The entire point for the Senators to move Brown, is to get 4M off the books to fund their acquisitions and internal raises. Acquiring Puljujarvi defeats the purpose of trading Brown.

If someone wants to make the argument that the Senators should not have acquired Talbot, or Giroux, or Debrincat, because Brown is a franchise player, they would be crazy but at least they would not be completely misunderstanding the current cap and salary situation that teams are operating under, while posting on a web forum that is hosted by a website named after said cap.

Should Dorion have dealt Brown last year? At the deadline? Maybe. But for right now, he did very well to even get a 2nd.
14 juill. 2022 à 11 h 17
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This confuses me for the sens. They make a big splash trading for DeBrincat, Talbot, and signing Giroux. Then they give up a valuable player. Confusing. Great deal for the caps though!


connor brown will test FA and is looking for a Hyman type contract. Sens got an asset for someone who'd walk.
 
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