Good. Let some other fanbase outside SoCal explain to these people why Muzzin isn't going anywhere, especially without retention.

1. way off on JT Miller value

2. Oilers say no.mrazek is an injury prone 3rd string goalie. Why would the oilers give up a cost controlled middle winger that's young and dominant defensively for any means??

Hextall laughs you out the room

lemme try and spell it out H I S C O N T R A C T I S S H I T

I don’t think Leaf’s have the assets to get Miller. I think there will be better offers from other teams

Mrazek is a cap dump and an expensive one at that. No one is paying anything for him. You will have to pet with something good to get rid of him

I can't wait until they get around to the Edmonton fanbase . . .

Did you read the trade description that the original poster said on the Miller trade? He was not doing Kerfoot for Miller 1 for 1. He was asking what it would take.

I also agree that Oilers say no on Mrazek trade.

us oilers fans are
20% middle age guys that think numbers are for nerds
40% overvalue every guy with the jersey on, no matter bad.
30% sensible, analytics guys
9% think Eberle is still on the team
1% want to trade bourgeault + 1st for Andersson (stauffer, staples and spec)

Manson isn't a top pair defenseman, would be perfect as a #4 with a strong partner

itd take a lot more than the leaf can afford. Would take probably A grade prospect + 1st + middle 6 roster player + kerfoot. Miller is going to get a haul

Leafs have what it takes. Doesn't mean they will do it.

I trade for him often. I usually go with Kerfoot + 2022 1st + Niemela (A defense prospect) + Knies (A power winger prospect) or Robertson (B+, A- Winger Prospect) for Miller (half retained), Schenn and a 3rd. Van fans usually say it's close but to remove Schenn and the 3rd. I still think both teams would consider it.

I think the Leafs have the assets for him but giving up those assets wouldn't be worth it for a year of Miller assuming there are teams willing to give up major assets for him. I feel like he will get traded for less than what VAN management and fans want for him, 3 pieces (a roster player, A-prospect, and pick) and I don't think all 3 will be A assets.

Double

I just don't see the Canucks wanting Kerfoot at all.

Doesn't fit with their roster (desperate for a right handed C), not a role they want to allocate cap, won't be playing top 6 with two point per game players here, and he already passed on signing with them once so I doubt he'd extend after this year.

Someone will trade for Kerfoot, but I don't see him coming to Vancouver because he just doesn't carry any value for Van.

Seattle has no interest in Holl, not for a 4th, a 3rd, and yes, certainly not a 2nd rounder. I know you Leafers are fond of identifying teams in the league with cap space and abundant draft picks---to unload this year's TML "unwanted" and/or cap casualties and still get a return---but Seattle is not trading picks for anything other than better picks, or possibly for younger players/prospects that build the teams depth pool and/or truly move the needle for the franchise. I'd wager that draft picks are more important to the Kraken than any other team in the league, currently.

Furthermore, free agent period falls AFTER the draft. With their cap space, Seattle has every opportunity to improve their roster in different and better ways, and Holl is just another type of defender that the Kraken have there fair share of, already. Pass

Personally I don't think I would trade Muzzin, he's not done yet, he just needs someone who can handle themselves. He can't carry a pair anymore. However, with Brodie in the playoffs, he sure looked good.

It's more a case of having to move out salary to make Miller work. Which every contender is also going to have to do. Many will send a bad contract the other way and offer futures. In Kerfoot, at least it's a player they can flip for more assets because despite what the legions of leaf haters say, he has a lot of value.

I think the expected return for Miller is going to be less than people, especially Canuck fans, hope it's going to be. He's a 1 year rental.

Name a fan base that doesn't unload bad contracts to teams with space. "You leafers" like only one fanbase does anything like that lol. Also Holl has value, an RD with size and can play 20 minutes a night is not a cap dump at 2 million. It's a bargain.

Good point. Suppose I didn't need to single TOR out. Though I gotta say, sometimes it seems like their fanbase share one brain when it comes to SEA trading assets for one (or all) of Holl/Kerfoot/Mrazek . . . just by the sheer volume of said proposals!!

I maintain my opinion about the Holl trade proposed . . . from Seattle's perspective. Though it doesn't seem that that matters too much to you . . . Only what I said or implied about Toronto and Holl. (?) Too bad.

Gotta say . . . For all the insistancy I read on here about the value that is Holl and Kerfoot, it sure does say something about the cap problem in Toronto when that kind of value isn't worth the 2 and 3.5 million that opens up by parting ways with them! LOL I guess to play and stay in Toronto, you either make north of 6 million or less than 1 million!

It's more about need and other options. Dubas has proven time and time again that he is good at finding high value bargains. Lose Hyman and we gain Bunting. And in a cap world made stagnant by an unforseen pandemic you sometimes have to sacrifice good players to make it all work. Kerfoot is 3.5 million dollar luxury we may need to move.

He's certainly got value, but the Canucks wouldn't treat him as such is what I'm saying. If Kerfoot can be moved for assets, the Leafs can do it. If they want to include him to even cap, sure. But Canucks won't consider him as an asset IMO. They'll take a 2nd round pick instead, and tor can trade Kerfoot to recoup the 2nd.

This is the sort of absolute nonsense that makes this site so frustrating. Kerfoot would be a good player for the Canucks they could keep to the deadline if they wanted to and then move him for more than a 2nd. Or move him immediately and call it a day. Or bring in a 3rd team to make it work. In any sense, a high value asset is a high value asset and Kerfoot is a valuable asset. Saying any team wouldn't see him as an asset is just plain wrong.

Kerfoot isn't going to be playing with two point per game guys with another team lol. His value is going to drop on any other team due to a worse situation.

He also would be using a chunk of the limited cap space Van would get, which is the whole reason they're trying to trade a forward if you happen to remember? Keeping him till the deadline is a full blown non option, and people not realizing this basic thing is what makes this site so frustrating.

If it's so easy to move him for a 2nd, a three way trade would work, or Toronto can do it. Vancouver would not risk getting stuck with Kerfoot and his cap, it just makes zero sense for them to do so.

The Kerfoot hate on this site is ridiculous