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JT Trades - Yell at me in the comments section

Créé par: qwertymann
Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 25 mai 2022
Publié: 25 mai 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Yell at me in the comments about why I'm off base but DONT say JT's value is lower than at the TDL... Its not (may not be higher either)
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Carlo, Brandon
  2. Frederic, Trent
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (CGY)
Détails additionnels:
Assuming Bergeron retires
BOS
  1. Miller, J.T. (2 625 000 $ retained)
2.
VAN
  1. Bear, Ethan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Heimosalmi, Aleksi
  3. Necas, Martin [Droits de RFA]
CAR
    Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
    3.
    VAN
    1. Newhook, Alex
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (COL)
    Détails additionnels:
    Assuming Kadri walks
    COL
      Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
      4.
      VAN
      1. Andersson, Lias [Droits de RFA]
      2. Grans, Helge
      3. Vilardi, Gabriel [Droits de RFA]
      LAK
        Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
        5.
        VAN
        1. Zacha, Pavel [Droits de RFA]
        2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NJD)
        NJD
        1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (VAN)
        Détails additionnels:
        Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
        6.
        VAN
        1. Chytil, Filip
        2. Kravtsov, Vitali [Droits de RFA]
        3. Lundkvist, Nils
        4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
        NYR
          Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
          7.
          VAN
          1. Bernard-Docker, Jacob
          2. Formenton, Alex [Droits de RFA]
          3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (TBL)
          Détails additionnels:
          If OTT is looking to accelerate their rebuild
          OTT
            Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
            8.
            TOR
            1. Woo, Jett
            Détails additionnels:
            Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
            9.
            VAN
            1. Marino, John
            2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (PIT)
            3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
            Détails additionnels:
            If PIT is trying for another run instead of re-tooling and assuming Letang re-signs which seems unlikely at this point
            PIT
              Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
              Rachats de contrats
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              TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
              2382 500 000 $82 804 866 $1 250 000 $2 507 500 $-304 866 $
              Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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              7 350 000 $7 350 000 $
              C, AG
              UFA - 2
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              4 950 000 $4 950 000 $
              AD, AG
              UFA - 4
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              3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
              AG
              M-NTC
              UFA - 2
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              4 125 000 $4 125 000 $
              C
              UFA - 1
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              2 650 000 $2 650 000 $
              C, AG
              UFA - 2
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              6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
              AD
              UFA - 2
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              1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
              AG, AD
              UFA - 1
              Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
              908 333 $908 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
              C, AG
              RFA - 1
              Logo de Rangers de New York
              2 300 000 $2 300 000 $
              C, AG
              UFA - 1
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              7 850 000 $7 850 000 $
              DG
              UFA - 5
              Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
              6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
              DD
              M-NTC
              UFA - 2
              Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
              5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
              G
              UFA - 4
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              7 260 000 $7 260 000 $
              DG
              NMC
              UFA - 5
              Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
              850 000 $850 000 $
              DD
              UFA - 1
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              1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
              DG/DD
              UFA - 1
              Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
              750 000 $750 000 $
              DG/DD
              UFA - 1
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              4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
              DD
              UFA - 5
              Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
              828 333 $828 333 $
              DD
              RFA - 4
              Logo de Kings de Los Angeles
              847 500 $847 500 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
              DD
              RFA - 3
              Logo de Rangers de New York
              925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
              DD
              RFA - 2
              Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
              925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
              DD
              RFA - 1
              Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
              856 667 $856 667 $
              DD
              RFA - 3
              Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
              4 400 000 $4 400 000 $
              DD
              UFA - 5
              Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
              Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
              891 667 $891 667 $ (Bonis de performance300 000 $$300K)
              AG, AD
              RFA - 1
              Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
              3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
              AG, AD
              M-NTC
              UFA - 1
              Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
              2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
              DD
              UFA - 3
              Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
              762 500 $762 500 $
              DD
              UFA - 1

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              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 2
              #1
              sensonfire
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              We are not spending that on JT Miller because he's a pending UFA next season.
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 3
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              I’d be very disappointed with almost all those returns for Miller. Some are overpayments for him tho. Like we’re not getting the 2nd overall pick for him
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 3
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              https://youtu.be/sA0glbG6c-8
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 6
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              We are not spending that on JT Miller because he's a pending UFA next season.


              Sens are one the teams that could actually afford to give him an extension. So it wouldn't need to be a 1 year one and done.
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              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 7
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              Quoting: NV94
              I’d be very disappointed with almost all those returns for Miller. Some are overpayments for him tho. Like we’re not getting the 2nd overall pick for him


              I would say it'd need to be 2nd OA plus... but I'm open to my values being up and down thus the making of this thread. Which are overpays and which are underpays?
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 7
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              If you drop either Heimosalmi or Necas and flush it out with a 2nd or a 3rd, Carolina considers it, but with both? It's too much.
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 9
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              Quoting: Caniac2000
              If you drop either Heimosalmi or Necas and flush it out with a 2nd or a 3rd, Carolina considers it, but with both? It's too much.


              Thank you for actual feedback? What if VAN adds a 3rd? I like the idea of 2 RHDs in the deal for VAN
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 9
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              BRUCE THERE IT IS
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              Right off the bat, the Canes, Avalanche, and Devils quickly decline. They’re giving up too many quality pieces that are important to them
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 12
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              Quoting: cooliny
              Right off the bat, the Canes, Avalanche, and Devils quickly decline. They’re giving up too many quality pieces that are important to them


              I could see the pieces being too valuable... but too many pieces isn't the thing here. NJD give up 2 pieces and get 2, COL gives up 2 pieces and gets 1 and CAR I can see (as noted above) but doesn't seem like the "quick decline" you mention
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 16
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              BRUCE THERE IT IS
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              Quoting: qwertymann
              I could see the pieces being too valuable... but too many pieces isn't the thing here. NJD give up 2 pieces and get 2, COL gives up 2 pieces and gets 1 and CAR I can see (as noted above) but doesn't seem like the "quick decline" you mention


              New hook on an ELC is very important to Colorado, don’t think they should be trading him, and it doesn’t make sense for Jersey to get someone way older instead of drafting whoever they want with the 2nd overall
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 16
              #11
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              Canes pass. Heimosalmi is a non starter.
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              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 19
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              As Friedman said, there will be bids/options for the Canucks to decide and that will give the Canucks some really good choices. He's a 100 pt Center. Ppl can yell all they want to but he's a stud.

              I don't think the Canes, Leafs or Rangers will be in on JT unless the price tag is lower than expected.

              I really wouldn't want to see JT in LA. They'd be really good and JT is one of those guys that would light up Van each time they played.

              Boston or Pitt seem like logical destinations given their needs/future needs but I'm not sure Boston will be able to offer the best package for JT. Pitt might be.

              I like the Ottawa trade but he probably doesn't fit their window.

              The values aren't off imo for the most part.
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 24
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              what would CBJ have to offer, in your opinion?
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 33
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              Quoting: Civil_Eng_PE
              what would CBJ have to offer, in your opinion?


              RHD with Top-4 potential in the 20-25 age range, Middle 6 roster player, 1st round pick. I understand Boqvist is really highly valued so CBJ-specific trade would be Boqvist plus a 2nd/3rd rounder or legit 2rd line player.
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              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 37
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              I think Boston does that. Many fans are unwilling to part with Carlo, but I like it. B's could sign Manson as a replacement.
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 42
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              Quoting: qwertymann
              I would say it'd need to be 2nd OA plus... but I'm open to my values being up and down thus the making of this thread. Which are overpays and which are underpays?


              theyre legitimately all overpays
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 45
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              Quoting: qwertymann
              Thank you for actual feedback? What if VAN adds a 3rd? I like the idea of 2 RHDs in the deal for VAN


              It wouldn't change the fact Heimosalmi and Necas in the same deal really don't work. Bear on his own could return a second. Heimosalmi is one of the most promising prospects in the organization, and Necas put up 40 points in a down year. For a rental, even as good as Miller, it's got to be one or the other imo.
              25 mai 2022 à 12 h 47
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              *RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE*

              I have done my part, and yelled at you in the comments section. Have a good day!
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              25 mai 2022 à 13 h 5
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              Quoting: Slimycoldcutswork
              theyre legitimately all overpays


              ALL, not even 1 is close in value?
              25 mai 2022 à 13 h 17
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              Quoting: Caniac2000
              It wouldn't change the fact Heimosalmi and Necas in the same deal really don't work. Bear on his own could return a second. Heimosalmi is one of the most promising prospects in the organization, and Necas put up 40 points in a down year. For a rental, even as good as Miller, it's got to be one or the other imo.


              Fair enough. Then I guess based on your feedback the return could be Bear, Heimosalmi and a 2nd?
              25 mai 2022 à 15 h 12
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              Most of these values are all over the place. VAN already said no the NYR for a trade package similar to your proposing. (Nils Lundkvist, a first-round pick, and Filip Chytil).
              25 mai 2022 à 16 h 36
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              Quoting: PeterForsberg21
              Most of these values are all over the place. VAN already said no the NYR for a trade package similar to your proposing. (Nils Lundkvist, a first-round pick, and Filip Chytil).


              I know thus I kept the structure. We know NYR is willing to part with that package but not willing to part with Schneider
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              25 mai 2022 à 17 h 8
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              Do it now!
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              Oh look, another "Please trade us Marino" Vancouver AGM.
              25 mai 2022 à 18 h 26
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              Quoting: WhyWait
              Oh look, another "Please trade us Marino" Vancouver AGM.


              I'm sorry, how? He is involved in 1/9 trades here. This is hardly a Marino-based AGM. The person involved in 9/9 trades and the dude whose name is in the title is who this AGM is focused on.
               
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