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14 juin 2022 à 22 h 13
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
maybe they can turn it around with a new coach


Maybe Faksa, but Suter will still be @ss. It’s not a mtter of coach, he should be gone asap.
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 1
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Quoting: aadoyle
Saves us the trouble of a contract negotiation but I doubt he signs an OS or will be available for one as he and Liligren will probs be signed before FA starts as since they got no arbitration negotiations should go quicker.

But in general Offersheets ruin a players image especially if their team matches and they return as their teammates will view them differently which is often why players dont sign them.

Theres a reason only 5 since 2010 and one was a revenge one that Carolina is probs regretting rn

Marner was a classic example he got 3 OS for 13+mill and went nah

Imo any teammate that judges a guy for accepting an offersheet is a terrible teammate and a worse friend. There is absolutely NO world where anybody should feel sympathy for the billion-dollar team over the guy risking life and limb every night and who actually has skill, making an extra million a year or whatever. I will say that I try to judge contracts based on both sides's arguments and reasoning to come to what I think will be a likely final contract, however on a personal level, all power to the player, get paid as much as you can physically squeeze out of whatever team is willing to pay you the most. And any teammate that doesn't agree with that can get lost, I wouldn't want to go into battle with a guy that wants me to be paid less than I'm worth (and the value of an offer sheet is inherently that player's market value). Especially on a team with guys like Marner and Tavares who are blatantly overpaid based on comparables (although again, on a personal level I'm all for them getting as much as they can). This is the reality of the salary cap world lol, and part of why I hate it. We should be determining how much a guy is actually worth, not how much we can grind out of him based on one mistake he made or whatever for the benefit of the billionaire owners that are (with the exception of Arizona naturally) making millions off of these teams (and gaining tax writeoffs and whatnot).
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 9
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
kubalik? $ 4m q.o.


I feel someone will give it to him but on 5-6 year term and not 2

As on a team like Carolina or something Kubalik could go back to the guy who had Chicago fans excited
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 14
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
Predictions if any of these happens:

Will these get Bought out?

1. No
2. No
3. Yes
4. No
5. Yes
6. No
7. No
8. No
9. No
10. Yes
Monohan = No

Will these go unqualified?

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. Yes. Already confirmed he won't be qualified by Dorion saying it himself
6. No
7. No
Wood = No


Why you dont think Myers gets bought out

As you got to think the extra 666k in buyout money would entice any team to do it.
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 14
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https://twitter.com/KevinWeekes/status/1536907580806774788?s=20&t=cmOhDo_SkIeIC51dNc9zng
The embed doesn't work for the same reason, again. It just seems like a perfect fit for the Flyers & torts
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 15
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Quoting: aadoyle
Why you dont think Myers gets bought out

As you got to think the extra 666k in buyout money would entice any team to do it.


He's not that bad. A couple years ago he was considered a 2nd pair dman
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 15
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
According to Darren Dreger, A Rasmus Sandin Offersheet is in the works
Which team would be doing this?
Islanders or Wings is what I think


Anaheim, LA, or Florida IMO
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 16
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
He's not that bad. A couple years ago he was considered a 2nd pair dman


True but if you think about it you do what Calgary did with Stone, buy him out get some extra space then bring him back on a cheaper deal.

As think about it he was waived before the TDL and nobody took him so it seems a buyout might be more likely unless someone decides nah
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 17
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Quoting: Db1899
Anaheim, LA, or Florida IMO


Florida got less cap space then Toronto

Doubt they OS

They got other guys to sign anyways lul and Sandin would be behind Weegar and Forsling on the depth chart so it makes 0 sense
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 19
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True but if you think about it you do what Calgary did with Stone, buy him out get some extra space then bring him back on a cheaper deal.

As think about it he was waived before the TDL and nobody took him so it seems a buyout might be more likely unless someone decides nah


Isn't that illegal? I thunk you can't bring back a player for a year after you buy them out. And anyway, NashviLLe doesn't have such a huge cal problem
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 20
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Florida got less cap space then Toronto

Doubt they OS


They can make trades, Bobrovsky is their only bad contract. Duclair, Montour, Bennett , Gudas are on team friendly deals. I think Zito will be very active over the next few months
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 22
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They can make trades, Bobrovsky is their only bad contract. Duclair, Montour, Bennett , Gudas are on team friendly deals. I think Zito will be very active over the next few months


Hornqvust too
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 25
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
Isn't that illegal? I thunk you can't bring back a player for a year after you buy them out. And anyway, NashviLLe doesn't have such a huge cal problem


Apparently Calgary did it with Stone back in 2019-2020 so no idea if its still legal

And as for Myers Nashville can use him as a trade chip. As with the extra cap bonus teams up against the cap will try and trade for him. Toronto did it once with Jared Cowen where they gave a 4th for him just to buy him out and get an extra 1mill in space.
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 25
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They can make trades, Bobrovsky is their only bad contract. Duclair, Montour, Bennett , Gudas are on team friendly deals. I think Zito will be very active over the next few months


You also need to remember that the cats need to save cap space for Huberdeau
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 26
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
Hornqvust too


Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
Hornqvust too


Florida is so deep at forward that he played on the 4th line this year, but he is still a great middle 6 caliber forward. I’m not sure what his market value is but he was worth close to his 5.3 mill cap hit over the last two seasons
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 26
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
You also need to remember that the cats need to save cap space for Huberdeau


And you got to think hes looking at Barkov's deal and going gimmie

As playmakers often get paid big rn
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 26
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
You also need to remember that the cats need to save cap space for Huberdeau


I’m not convinced they re-sign huberdeau
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 26
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Quoting: aadoyle
And you got to think hes looking at Barkov's deal and going gimmie


Cats won’t be as good in 2 years. They mortgaged their whole future for 1-2 runs. Knight and Lundell will be good for them. But they’ll have no depth
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 27
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Cats won’t be as good in 2 years. They mortgaged their whole future for 1-2 runs. Knight and Lundell will be good for them. But they’ll have no depth


Dont they got that russian kid everyones still hyped about

Denisenko, I think his name is
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 28
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Cats won’t be as good in 2 years. They mortgaged their whole future for 1-2 runs. Knight and Lundell will be good for them. But they’ll have no depth


It's the classic case of: they tried to contend too quickly
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 28
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Cats won’t be as good in 2 years. They mortgaged their whole future for 1-2 runs. Knight and Lundell will be good for them. But they’ll have no depth


Zito will continue to find undervalued players like Verhaeghe , Marchment , Forsling. It’s a skill
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 29
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Dont they got that russian kid everyones still hyped about

Denisenko, I think his name is


His stock went down since his draft but I think he will be a good middle 6 guy
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 29
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Dont they got that russian kid everyones still hyped about

Denisenko, I think his name is


NO ONE is hyped up about him
They also have samoskevich
14 juin 2022 à 23 h 29
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
It's the classic case of: they tried to contend too quickly

The dumb GM who gave up a 1st ++ for Chiarot
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14 juin 2022 à 23 h 29
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The dumb GM who gave up a 1st ++ for Chiarot


I mean, I knew it was gonna happen forever, so...
 
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