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Équipe: 2022-23 Jets de Winnipeg
Date de création initiale: 12 avr. 2022
Publié: 12 avr. 2022
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Darren Dreger recently reported that the Winnipeg Jets would be doing a full audit of their organization this summer. They will look at every position in managemenn and coaching staff, as well as players. The Jets are an organization that has to sell tickets to stay afloat. We’ve seen a drop in attendance already and they’re doing a huge push for season tickets. Something they’ve never really had to do. In fact they had let go of almost all of their ticket sales staff as it was never an issue. With these attendance drops, change will come as the team needs to sell the product to the fans. I see some big changes coming for the first time in a long time.


First order of business IMO is locking up PLD. He’s the perfect fit for Kyle Connor and there’s no reason to not want to keep those guys together long term. I feel like Dubois gets around what couturier got, but wouldn’t be surprised if he got 8x8.

Second, and nearly as important as the first step, the jets have to address the elephant in the room which is Mark Scheifele. Not only has he struggled defensively this year, he’s abandoned lowrys systems and has just played his own way. An awful example to set as an assistant captain and “face” of the franchise. It’s time to move on from scheifele. I feel like a draft day trade may be in the books. I feel like the teams that will be in the mix are BOS, CAR, FLA, NYR, NYI, CBJ. Mainly eastern conference teams as they’re going to realize they need to solidify themselves to compete in that conference. Florida is unlikely as they already have so much star power and not much cap space or assets. I decided to go with the islanders, again could be unrealistic due to their cap constraints. I feel like the main targets for Winnipeg likely are Dobson/Pulock. Which likely leads to an instant no, but I tried to build a package that might be of interest to the islanders. Jets fans likely won’t like the deal but to get a player like Dobson would be amazing. Islanders fans, I know you’ll hate it as well because Dobson is very good and I get that so don’t feel bad if you rip on me. I just thought with an aging islanders team and a closing window they may consider this. Also trotz is the perfect coach for Scheifele. Let me know what you think, I’m sure jets fans will think I’m overpaying/overvaluing Dobson, and islanders fans will likely say no and it makes sense. Let me know what it would take, I’m assuming Ehlers or Connor would be the request for Dobson.

I think a conversation has to be had with jets management and hellebuyck. I think it’s crucial to know what the situation is heading into next year in regards to him wanting to be in Winnipeg or not. There have been some reports that he doesn’t want to stay here, which can’t be confirmed so who knows what’s going on. He’s one of the few guys who actually showed heart and belief down the stretch.

I thought about signing trochek but it likely would take around 7 million to get him to go to Winnipeg. I just decided I’d use the 1 year stop gap in stastny so he can mentor Perfetti to take over that 2C role. Plus Ehlers and stastny have great chemistry.

No idea what they’ll do for coaching. My preference would be Pascal Vincent as he’s familiar with the team and players after coaching the Moose for a while. I’d imagine they’d interview Carlyle and Boudreau if Vancouver let’s him go. Bottom line with coaching is that they need to make wholesale changes. This team is in a very odd spot, they aren’t making the playoffs with this roster so they’d need to retool or make some big changes.
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12 avr. 2022 à 15 h 47
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You might get a 4th or 5th for Schmidt. Not a 3rd.
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12 avr. 2022 à 15 h 49
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Quoting: Redstinger
You might get a 4th or 5th for Schmidt. Not a 3rd.


That’s okay, I’ve seen plenty of wings fan okay with this deal. Schmidt hasn’t been awful, actually done quite well on both special teams and he’s been solid all year. Fans just jump on him as he can lose his defensive positioning from time to time. Would be an awesome mentor for some of detroits younger players.
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12 avr. 2022 à 15 h 56
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Remove the 1st coming from the Islanders.
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12 avr. 2022 à 15 h 58
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Dobson would definitely be a good target for the Jets and the deal looks at least reasonable.

I agree that islander fans likely freak out, but they desperately need offense and PPG 1C's aren't cheap, bad defensively or not.

For the Jets it looks like a high price to pay for a guy with 150 games under his belt, but it just may be what it takes.
12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 0
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Remove the 1st coming from the Islanders.


No, Dobson is good, but he's not PPG 1C and a top prospect good. Something more needs to be coming from the Islanders.
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 1
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I mean with a closing window you’d much rather have Dobson than Scheifele lol, especially when you stated that Scheifele abandoned his teams system.
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 2
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No, Dobson is good, but he's not PPG 1C and a top prospect good. Something more needs to be coming from the Islanders.


Dobson is a a #1 right handed defenseman who drives almost all of the offense on the isles defense… Scheifele and WPG 1st wouldn’t even get Dobson
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No, Dobson is good, but he's not PPG 1C and a top prospect good. Something more needs to be coming from the Islanders.


I’m sorry but Dobson is 22 and he just put up 40 pts in 69 gp or something as a dman. We need him, he is the exact player the jets need. Id do the deal without the first coming back to the jets. I’ll change it.
12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 4
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I mean with a closing window you’d much rather have Dobson than Scheifele lol, especially when you stated that Scheifele abandoned his teams system.


I can see what you mean haha, I think if you looked at the jets situation you can see past what he’s done a bit. The guys legit just unhappy being here and is essentially doing anything he can to show that. I think with a coach like trotz he’d be a stud.

Fair enough on the part that they’d rather have Dobson than scheifele. I just feel like with pulock and pelech as a top pair, islanders could move Dobson to really bolster their offense. But hey totally get what you’re saying and it’s logical haha
12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 5
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I’m sorry but Dobson is 22 and he just put up 40 pts in 69 gp or something as a dman. We need him, he is the exact player the jets need. Id do the deal without the first coming back to the jets. I’ll change it.


Yeah, they could use him and I know you like to trumpet how low Scheifele's value is, but PPG 1C's are just as rare.
12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 9
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55 has obviously been bad this year. But I truly wonder if he's still rattled from the Evans stuff. Clearly he's not going at guys as hard anymore, and it may be due to fear. He doesn't want to put himself or his family through any more of those hardships he faced last year.
Does it mean he has to be traded? I don't know. It's clear that something is up though
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Yzerman would try to haggle it down to a 4th before accepting but a 3rd isn't an outrageous ask.
12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 11
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I don't think the value is terrible for that Isles trade, but all the weird noise coming out about Scheifele's personality/makeup/whatever you want to call it makes me feel like he'd be absolutely off limits for the Isles. Doesn't seem in character for Lou to make such a big deal about keeping Parise & Clutterbuck around "for the room" and then bring in a guy that might cause issues in it.
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 12
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You might get a 4th or 5th for Schmidt. Not a 3rd.


No… definitely get a 3rd
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 12
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In terms of Hellebuyck, I think next season is key. If we have a sequel to this season next year, his willingness to extend his contract will wane, and that's the point where you look to trade him. If changes are made this offseason and the team wins a couple rounds, he re-signs.
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 13
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I can see what you mean haha, I think if you looked at the jets situation you can see past what he’s done a bit. The guys legit just unhappy being here and is essentially doing anything he can to show that. I think with a coach like trotz he’d be a stud.

Fair enough on the part that they’d rather have Dobson than scheifele. I just feel like with pulock and pelech as a top pair, islanders could move Dobson to really bolster their offense. But hey totally get what you’re saying and it’s logical haha


Scheifele has never really cared about playing defense and he’s known to cheat for offense. There’s a very good chance Schiefele would regress offensively under Trotz. Even now Dobson is better than Scheifele offensively so there’s really no incentive for the isles to do this.

Every year GMs try to find RHD exactly like Dobson in the draft . Players like him are extremely hard to find and develop and he’s already an elite defenseman at 22 YO. For the isles to even consider moving Dobson it would have to be a significant overpay that the jets would likely not feel comfortable with. Something like Perfetti, Heinola, Lucius and a 1st.
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 13
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I'd be okay with this off-season.
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 13
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55 has obviously been bad this year. But I truly wonder if he's still rattled from the Evans stuff. Clearly he's not going at guys as hard anymore, and it may be due to fear. He doesn't want to put himself or his family through any more of those hardships he faced last year.
Does it mean he has to be traded? I don't know. It's clear that something is up though


The coach who let him get away with making little effort defensively quit. That's the answer.
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 14
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I don't think the value is terrible for that Isles trade, but all the weird noise coming out about Scheifele's personality/makeup/whatever you want to call it makes me feel like he'd be absolutely off limits for the Isles. Doesn't seem in character for Lou to make such a big deal about keeping Parise & Clutterbuck around "for the room" and then bring in a guy that might cause issues in it.


I don’t think he necessarily will come with any sort of room cancer type of behaviour. His issue is with not being held accountable by coaching for so long. We know trotz won’t let that slide. Plus he just needs a fresh start. But I completely get some of the concerns. Maurice let 55 do whatever he wanted for so long and it shows. He needs a coach like trotz.
12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 15
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Personally, I’m good with either Dobson or Pulock… whichever the Isles are willing to move. Both fill that 1RD hole.

I’m getting annoyed with people putting Barron on wing just to fit Gus into the lineup… put Barron where he belongs, at C, and trade Gus… or trade Lowry if you want Gus in that bad.
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 16
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I guess I just don't understand the need to get the Islanders to add a 1st to Dobson deal.

Scheif for Dobson as a base in the vein of Johanson for Jones but while Johanson was 23 and Jones was 21, Scheif is 29 and Dobson is 22. Maybe Scheif for Pulock makes more sense from an age perspective?

Also, we should move out Stanely and Dillon and keep Heinola and DeMelo IMO. Stanley Dillon has got to be one of the worst pairings in the entire NHL. They don't compliment each other at all.
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 16
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I’m getting annoyed with people putting Barron on wing just to fit Gus into the lineup… put Barron where he belongs, at C, and trade Gus


Barron tbh could play both positions. He looked awesome with stastny and Ehlers. I just think that gus deserves a chance to prove his worth. 2 awfully times injuries have not allowed him that.
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 17
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You knew this was coming but, the isles aren't going to trade a young offensive defenseman. We struggle already with you, and with offensive defense, so i don't think it would even pass their minds to trade him. And if they do i would punch a hole in the wall
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 18
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I guess I just don't understand the need to get the Islanders to add a 1st to Dobson deal.

Scheif for Dobson as a base in the vein of Johanson for Jones but while Johanson was 23 and Jones was 21, Scheif is 29 and Dobson is 22. Maybe Scheif for Pulock makes more sense from an age perspective?

Also, we should move out Stanely and Dillon and keep Heinola and DeMelo IMO. Stanley Dillon has got to be one of the worst pairings in the entire NHL. They don't compliment each other at all.


Yeah the first wasn’t needed so I changed that. Agree on the age comparison. Pulock might be a better choice. I really like Dobson and honestly would add more to get him if needed.

I like Brendan Dillon. I think Stanley is where a lot of the issues come from. Maybe swap Heinola for Lucius in that deal and then trade Stanley.
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12 avr. 2022 à 16 h 20
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Quoting: zackvillani
You knew this was coming but, the isles aren't going to trade a young offensive defenseman. We struggle already with you, and with offensive defense, so i don't think it would even pass their minds to trade him. And if they do i would punch a hole in the wall


Ugh I know. Dobson is the exact player the jets need. I’d add even more to get him lol. Like I’m talking I’d give up scheifele, Lucius and Heinola just to get it close to done. Jets fans will hate to hear that but man I think Dobson is so good. Every GM would love to have a dman like him.
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