yeah someone in the comments said that too, i doubt barron moves. pittsburgh would be a nice fit for boeser too, he could try doing better alongside crosby or malkin or JEFF CART- yeah having guentzel on the other wing would help too

This is absolutely wild to me. This kid is in my grade. I have friends that know him personally. I have classes with his girlfriend.

To think a kid my age is playing in the OHL next year blows my mind. I've been to OHL games, it's a whole nother level. I am super interested in how he does and will follow him religiously

And what would that argument be?

I love the ACGM’s and all the debate there! Even at it’s worst it doesn’t touch other cesspools

Ask for an autograph lol.

Someday that could be worth quite a lot.

Wow I always think I’m talking to adults but I guess that’s because I’m nearly 38 and just assume people are closer to my age. Reddit makes me feel like a grandpa. I guess when you’ve been online for years and it started out that most people were around your age, you forget how much time passed

I think blue was one of there og colors

Consensus opinion of this forum = social media sucks. Especially twitter.

Sadly though most of hockey news breaks in there so you pretty much gotta use it lol, especially during deadline.

Crosby's 22nd (essentially tied for 21st with Ovi) all time in points. Obviously, he still has a lot left in the tank (and is 7th all-time in points per game played), but I wouldn't say he's top 10-YET.

Right now I'd go (not in order except for the first three) Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, Jagr, Orr, Messier, Yzerman, Dionne, Coffey, Hasek. (And even after that-Patrick Roy, Joe Sakic, Phil Esposito would all be ahead in my mind. Crosby would be 14th at best right now, IMO.)

Personally I'd definitely have Crosby over Yzerman, Coffey, Sakic and Messier.

Same.

This man is the face of modern day hockey.

The only one of those I'm hesitant about is Sakic, could definitely hear an argument for Crosby. Otherwise, I'd have to put Yzerman, Messier, and Coffey over Sid-but that could easily (and quite possibly will) change if he keeps this up into his high 30's.

Right now I'd say McDavid, but before he came along, there's no doubt about who was the face of the league for almost a decade (sorry Ovi)

Since some of you are debating on top players of all time, I’ll give you my somewhat controversial opinion.

Richard>Howe

WOAH BOY

I've heard worse takes, but still, that's pretty bold. Howe leads him in points, goals, assists, and points per game (which is crucial, because Howe played longer than anybody save for Jagr, yet still has a higher PPG average than Richard)

I don't know if I've ever seen a worse D than the Flyers this year. First a few nights ago there was Sheary parked by the net alone for 10 seconds, now it's Panarin, and Trouba was able to get it to him from about 50 feet away on a cross-ice pass from the blue line, the ice was that clear. Seriously, their goalies are lambs being fed to wolves.

Thats a horrendous take

Vlad Guerrero Jr is destroying the Yankees

Well true.

He was the face of the sport until 2018.

Richard was up against the league when he played and he was also removed quite a large amount of assists.

My main reason is because he’s better in the playoffs, probably one of the most clutch playoff performers of all time, and in terms of team quality Howe’s team was way better, and Richard won 2 times more cups than Howe. Richard was just considerably more clutch.

This situation is similar to my stance on the Heiskanen-Makar debate. Switch players if scenarios and you’d see a massive difference.

Having Vladdy, Matthews, and Barnes in Toronto is a lot of fun for T.O fans

True, but Howe was so good for so long, even as the team around him changed. Agreed that Richard was the better playoff performer (if not the greatest ever).

As for the latter point-I'm going to assume for your sanity's sake that you're not calling Heiskanen better than Makar, because that would be blasphemy. Obviously Makar has a WAY better team around him, but just watch him play. He's the best in the league, and it's really not that close (and I say this while rooting for the Lightning, who have a guy named Victor Hedman on the blue line)

I know right, My buddy from Texas who is a Yankees fan is getting so annoyed, it is so funny

I mean he’s not top 10 in points all time, or even close to it. I doubt he’s top 10 in Art Ross or Hart trophies. Is t top 20 in cup, etc…

I think he is top 10, to be clear. Not top 5, if probably rank him 6-7 all time. I’m just saying there’s a legit argument that he isn’t top 10.

Like I said, if you would switch them on draft day I’m not sure it’d look like how it does today. As of right now Makar is clearly the best dman in the league, but his development was incredibly well put by the likes of Sakic and Bednar.

Started playing him a year close to two after he was drafted (at 20 years old), played glued to the Mackinnon line and was played with good d partners. They couldn’t of done a better job developing him.

Meanwhile Heiskanen was glued to Comeau, Faksa and Cogliano (3 ECHL’ers) from 19 to last year (last year he pretty much only played with bums), and his d partner has never been good except this year where Lindell is decent. And played for arguably the worst coach in the league (who probably had a major impact on him).

Put Makar with those bums and Heiskanen with those titans at 18-20 years old and it very well could’ve been different. If you would switch them of scenarios now it wouldn’t matter since they’re developed (Makar>Heiskanen), but when they’re brand new in the big leagues it could very well of been different.

Only thing Heiskanen is better at than Makar currently is in the playoffs.