He did give up the #14 pick last summer and a 2023 2nd for one year of Rasmus Ristolainen so.....

6TH OVERALL

14th overall in a weaker draft class year is a far cry from a top ten pick. This is also the deepest and best draft class since 2015 and 2003. The two best drafts in NHL history.

They're simply not the same.

It looks like it works! I like this solution better than trading Dumba. I can't wait to see how it all plays out.

Still, never underestimate GMCFs ability to screw over a teams draft picks.

Tough to survive the season with so little cap space, but I like it!

It is very tight for space. If Kaapo has a great finish to the season I could see trading Talbot. Now if that Fiala guy would just sign for 6million or less!

Make it our '23 1st and it's not a maybe, it's a deffffff

I wasn’t trying to argue with you. I’m aware of the difference between 6th overall and 14th. I was merely making light of the fact Chuck gave up a 1st and a 2nd for one year Rasmus Ristolainen (he’s not good).
Also, where are you reading that this draft class is going to be one the best? Most stuff I’ve seen has it rated as below average. It’s next year with Bedard and Michkov that everyone is gushing about. I’m just curious. Always looking for more sources of info.

That trade probably would've worked for Philly last year. The value probably isn;t off by tons, BUT....

Their PHI 1st is probably top 8 at worst, and after the risto move, I doubt PHI wants another RD who is an expiring UFA.

Dumba has a year left, so he's not a rental. I see this trade happening before the draft rather than at the TDL. But you're right about it being unlikely if this is a top 8 pick and about their appetite for it after Risto. I like the idea of changing it to the 2023 pick.

But wont that make it Dumba's last year before UFA, just like Risto?

Yeah, I suppose it does. Looks like I need to grab another coffee

For next year - Talbot, Sturm, and Goligoski easily. The problem with trading Talbot, even at relatively high value, is that not only is his contract team-friendly already but you are then basically looking for the same player after he is gone (even if just for a year). As good as Kaapo has looked this year, I don't think there is any way they would trust him to start 55-60 games next year. If you sign a 'depth goalie', you are basically trusting Kaapo to do that. Not only are you downgrading the most important position on the team but you are putting a ton more pressure on Kaapo because whomever is signed behind him won't be starting more than 25 games.

IMO you trade the guy (or guys) whose contracts are more cost-prohibitive and where the organization has more depth - Dumba and/or Fiala. If they keep the Talbot/Kaapo tandem for next year, I see it as 60/40 Talbot or perhaps 50/50. Then after next season as long as Kaapo has progressed, bring up Wallstedt as the backup on his ELC.

As a flyer fan, going into this season and the huge needs for top 4 RD, I was huge on Dumba, Ellis (who I saw as too expensive), and Risto. But DUmba was the one I wanted most.

Not a bad thought and not a bad price, but like I said PHI tried the UFA route with Risto, and I cant see them wanting to do that again.

The thought here in MN is that Dumba will be willing to take a lower amount for his next contract. He should probably be in the 4.5-5M range given his position and output. He's not scoring at the rate he was when he got the contact originally.

Also, GMCF really likes him. So I could still see this trade or some version of it happening just because Chuck is getting the band back together. You guys have Yeo and now Torchetti, who is a riot btw. You're becoming MN Wild circa 2014... Which is not necessarily a good thing.

Agree, and thats great news for a Dumba bound club, but PHI is trying to do that right now with Risto (getting him to re-sign at closer to his true value)

I disagree. Based on what we've seen from Kahkonen this season, I think he'll be ready to handle a bigger role. But again I'm reserving the right to change that opinion since there's a lot of games left to play. I also don't think Kahkonen is an objective downgrade, he has been better than Talbot this season. As much as I love his calming presence, Talbot has just been OK.

Here are Talbot's rankings among goalies with 600 mins TOI in 5v5 (approx 10 games):
Sv%: 34th
GAA: 36th
GSAA: 36th
xG against: 25th

For context, here's Kahkonen:
Sv%: 23rd
GAA: 24th
GSAA: 23rd
xG against: 5th

So I'm more than fine with rolling Kahkonen for most games next year and trading away nearly $3M in cap space once you've signed a backup goalie and keeping either Dumba and Fiala over Talbot.

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Braden Holtby and Martin Jones are UFA this summer. They're both making 2M this year, have about a 0.900 save percentage and have each played about 20 games. So about 50% time.

We could sign them for 1.5 to 2M next year. Is saving that 1-1.5M vs Talbot worth the change in team chemistry? The savings are certainly larger with Dumba although it's fair to say the chemistry mpact would be bigger too.