Not with that package ya cant.

Edit: i originally thought that they would just refuse to take Skjei, but isn’t he playing pretty well this year? If they can flip him this might work.

That's WAY more than Chychurn is worth **Right now**. He's been one of the worst D men in the league this year in terms of underlying. If Jarvis is the asking price, you walk away. He's been awful

I did edit my post. But if you’re going to talk about underlying stats for chychrun, I’ve just got no time for it. We all know how awesome chychrun is, and painting it like a buy low opportunity just because the coyotes are so so so bad isn’t a notion worth entertaining.

Except, this isn't a Yotes issue.

Ghost and Stralman have better underlying than Chychurn at this point. Timmins does too, but he's only played 6 games. Chychrun is struggling, and I would go as far as to suggest that he's been a reason for the Yotes struggles. Whether he's been playing hurt or something, I'm not sure. But he's not worth this right now.

Underlying is code for, “i don’t watch so I’m gonna trust some numbers.” For forwards, there’s a fraction of merit. For d men, it’s legitimately zero. I don’t care, at all.

saying he’s a reason for the yotes’ struggles when they’re playing jay beagle, loui eriksson, and andrew ladd frequently is a take for sure

You're entitled to your opinion, but the eye test backs the numbers up here. He's not been good. The fact you think underlying means I don't watch Yotes games is laughable.

Oh, they're a reason too. Beagle is actually really solid, he's just overpaid. Chychurn is 1 of the reasons. He's been below replacement level for the majority of the season

The other option for those that use the ole, “underlying,” is that their too lazy to form their own opinions. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Two guys that are going to look bad on historically bad rosters: the starting goalie, and the number one d man.

Vejmelka has INCREDIBLE underlyings. His GSAA is on an incredible pace.

Chychrun doesn't. This isn't new. If you look back over the last 3 years, he's been getting worse. People are still judging him on the great season he had many years ago. Since then, he's been riddled with injuries and gotten old, and he's not been Chychurn. He's been poor.

I mean I'm an advanced stats guy myself, there are certain things stats cannot measure though. I'm not saying he hasn't been bad this year as you're right, even by the eye test he's been bad, but I don't think it can be stressed enough how tough it is to be the #1 Dman on such a terrible team. The toll that takes on you mentally is unbelievable, going out every night knowing you're about to get worked, logging so many minutes against other teams best players when your team is out skilled by such a large margin is such a grind. Saying this, I don't do this if I'm the canes. I think if he gets moved it won't be long before we see the Chychrun of previous years.

No they don't...

Chychrun is struggling to produce yes but that is not an underlying stat. The reasons for the Yote's struggle is that for a good portion of their season Erkisson, Roussel, Boyd, and Ladd have all been core parts of their top 6 and their #1 goaltender was Carter Hutton

Chychrun had a pretty damn good year just last year. In fact his best year overall was just this past year.

Save the HTML. I don’t care about underlying numbers. I care about hockey.

Boyd is still the 1C. Now that Schmaltz is back, he, Hayton and Crouse has been an okay second line. Eriksson, Roussel and Beagle is still the third line though and it's still not great.

While I completely agree with everything you pointed out, that doesn't change the issues Chychurn is having now. He's got a long list of injury issues and there's no certainty he ever gets back to the player he once was. I think he's better than he's showing this year, 100%. But I think until he shows us how good he is again, he needs to stop being treated like a number one defenseman.

Your issue, not mine.


Many organizations care about the numbers. Even Montreal are now putting in an analytics department. They're becoming a more important part of the game.

In terms of what? His xGAR (NST) was suspect, and considering his QoT (HV) for the majority of it, you can explain it away. His 3 year sample suggests regression, and his RAPM (Evolving-Hockey) is showing signs of coming down too. I can't judge 56 games against 8 teams and say great year.

His underlyings are awful too, meaning that the basics of his play have regressed. Due to injury, mental issues, blah blah, whatever excuse you want to use, he's not been a number 1 D man and should not be treated or valued like one. He's not been a reliable one in a couple of years.

Yes he is soooooo terrible you decided to take the time to send out a hypothetical trade for him. Why do you even care if the canes trade for him if he's legitimately that bad?

I didn't. I'm not the one who create this thread. I've advised against trading for him for a long time, because he's regressed so much. People think he's the player he was 2/3 years ago, and he's just not.