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Adding depth

Créé par: OwenMd05
Date de création initiale: 2 déc. 2021
Publié: 2 déc. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
BOS
  1. Kassian, Zack
  2. 2023 4e round pick (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. 2022 7e round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Turris, Kyle
  2. 2023 6e round pick (EDM)
3.
EDM
  1. Oleksiak, Jamie
SEA
  1. 2022 1e round pick (EDM)
4.
EDM
  1. 2022 5e round pick (NJD)
BUF
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
Rachats de contrats
  • James Neal: 1 916 667 $
  • Andrej Sekera: 1 500 000 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Milan Lucic: 750 000 $ (13%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
EDM
EDM
NJD
EDM
EDM
MTL
2023
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2024
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $80 760 301 $669 339 $1 757 500 $739 699 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
EDM
Hyman, Zach
5 500 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 7
EDM
McDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $
C
UFA - 5
EDM
Yamamoto, Kailer
1 175 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
5 125 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 8
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
8 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
EDM
Puljujärvi, Jesse
1 175 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
BOS
DeBrusk, Jake
3 675 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
EDM
McLeod, Ryan
834 167 $
C
RFA - 1
EDM
Foegele, Warren
2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
EDM
Benson, Tyler
750 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
EDM
Ryan, Derek
1 250 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
EDM
Sceviour, Colton
750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
EDM
Nurse, Darnell
5 600 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
EDM
Bouchard, Evan
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 2
EDM
Skinner, Stuart
750 000 $
G
RFA - 2
SEA
Oleksiak, Jamie
4 600 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 5
EDM
Ceci, Cody
3 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
EDM
Smith, Mike
2 200 000 $
G
UFA - 2
EDM
Russell, Kris
1 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
EDM
Barrie, Tyson
4 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
EDM
Perlini, Brendan
750 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
EDM
Keith, Duncan
5 538 462 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 2
EDM
Klefbom, Oscar
4 167 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
EDM
Broberg, Philip
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 3
EDM
Koekkoek, Slater
925 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
EDM
Archibald, Josh
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
EDM
Shore, Devin
850 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 2
EDM
Stalock, Alex
785 000 $
G
UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Nugent-Hopkins, R.
Draisaitl, L.
Hyman, Z.
McDavid, C.
Bouchard, E.
Avantage numérique 2
Puljujärvi, J.
McLeod, R.
Foegele, W.
DeBrusk, J.
Barrie, T.
Infériorité numérique 1
Nugent-Hopkins, R.
Hyman, Z.
Nurse, D.
Bouchard, E.
Infériorité numérique 2
Ryan, D.
Sceviour, C.
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Ceci, C.

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2 déc. 2021 à 13 h 45
#1
Rejoint: avr. 2021
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Kassian sucks and the bruins, along with everyone else know it. No interest.
2 déc. 2021 à 13 h 48
#2
Rejoint: sept. 2020
Messages: 371
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Why would the habs take on a negative value asset in Turris for moving up what 5 -10 places in the last 2 round of the draft. change the 6th to a 4th and not giving the 7th back and they may think about it
2 déc. 2021 à 14 h 11
#3
Leafs
Rejoint: oct. 2021
Messages: 287
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Bruins easily say no
gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.
2 déc. 2021 à 14 h 13
#4
Rejoint: juin 2020
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Oilers say no to the buf trade.
CD282 et gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.
2 déc. 2021 à 14 h 43
#5
Rejoint: juin 2019
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No way Boston does that trade
gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.
2 déc. 2021 à 14 h 46
#6
Rejoint: mars 2017
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Quoting: oilersfan150
Oilers say no to the buf trade.

The guy is 12-2-0 and there's still a segment of Oilers fans who want to trade him for a bag of pucks. SMH.
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2 déc. 2021 à 14 h 46
#7
Rejoint: mars 2017
Messages: 16,136
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What does DeBrusk bring that Kassian doesn't?
2 déc. 2021 à 16 h 20
#8
Simpleton
Rejoint: juin 2017
Messages: 1,092
Mentions "j'aime": 397
Quoting: CD282
What does DeBrusk bring that Kassian doesn't?


IMO:

DeBrusk = 25-year-old potential 30-goal scoring top six LW, if playing with high-end C. High intensity and good offensive production in past playoffs. Currently an ineffective and very expensive bottom-six forward. These days, occasionally a healthy scratch. Quite weak if played at RW or C. May have defensive deficiencies in his game.

Kassian = 30-year-old power forward, capable of playing top or bottom six RW. Career high 15-goals, but more realistically 8-12 goal potential. Willing and capable of dropping the gloves with true heavy-weights. Seems to have learned more discipline and become a more effective agitator. Can sub in as net-front presence, and has been a sub in penalty killer as well. When he is at his best, he is an emotional leader who loves to throw his weight around and can play a strong support role for elite talents. Can be a game changer. Most nights he is not at his best. Perhaps a bit too much salary and term given his inconsistencies and recent injury history.

I would not do this trade if I was Ken Holland. The Oilers top six is already an offensive juggernaut, what Dave Tippett needs is a bottom six that can contribute more offensively and button up its defensive play. DeBrusk is not the solution for Edmonton. He has a boatload of talent, and should be playing top-six minutes somewhere, but not for the Oilers.
gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.
2 déc. 2021 à 17 h 58
#9
Billy739
Rejoint: déc. 2017
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Quoting: Black61
Why would the habs take on a negative value asset in Turris for moving up what 5 -10 places in the last 2 round of the draft. change the 6th to a 4th and not giving the 7th back and they may think about it


Easy
Defensive Zone Faceoffs
Outside Dvorak no one on MTL consistently wins them

We need DZF 4th line Center to play with Poehling who's been limited in his faceoff time as Dvorak's been double shifting taking the faceoff then skating off to tag Poehling in.
Putting Turris-Poehling-Armia together makes sense even if its not every game
It gives Poehling the insurance he needs and takes the stress off Dvorak defensively so he can shoot more

Turris also has no Cap hit to speak of and most important MTL is getting a 7th upgraded to a 6th for it
He's 10x better then Paquette who we could finally ditch if Turris was here as Paquette looks lost in our speed based sysem he's just to slow with bad positioning
2 déc. 2021 à 18 h 47
#10
Rejoint: sept. 2020
Messages: 371
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Quoting: Billy739
Easy
Defensive Zone Faceoffs
Outside Dvorak no one on MTL consistently wins them

We need DZF 4th line Center to play with Poehling who's been limited in his faceoff time as Dvorak's been double shifting taking the faceoff then skating off to tag Poehling in.
Putting Turris-Poehling-Armia together makes sense even if its not every game
It gives Poehling the insurance he needs and takes the stress off Dvorak defensively so he can shoot more

Turris also has no Cap hit to speak of and most important MTL is getting a 7th upgraded to a 6th for it
He's 10x better then Paquette who we could finally ditch if Turris was here as Paquette looks lost in our speed based sysem he's just to slow with bad positioning


No offense but do you even know who Kyle Turris is? Because DZF 4th line centre is literally the last thing people would descirbe him as. Also

Poehling has taken more faceoffs than turris this year. Also has more points

Turris has is a career sub 50 percent faceoff man and has been heavily skewed into ozone deployment for most of his career.

Getting him to "replace" Paquette at this point is stupid because the only reason he will play going forward is if 3+ forwards are out.
gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.
3 déc. 2021 à 7 h 52
#11
Rejoint: mars 2017
Messages: 16,136
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Quoting: uphere
IMO:

DeBrusk = 25-year-old potential 30-goal scoring top six LW, if playing with high-end C. High intensity and good offensive production in past playoffs. Currently an ineffective and very expensive bottom-six forward. These days, occasionally a healthy scratch. Quite weak if played at RW or C. May have defensive deficiencies in his game.

Kassian = 30-year-old power forward, capable of playing top or bottom six RW. Career high 15-goals, but more realistically 8-12 goal potential. Willing and capable of dropping the gloves with true heavy-weights. Seems to have learned more discipline and become a more effective agitator. Can sub in as net-front presence, and has been a sub in penalty killer as well. When he is at his best, he is an emotional leader who loves to throw his weight around and can play a strong support role for elite talents. Can be a game changer. Most nights he is not at his best. Perhaps a bit too much salary and term given his inconsistencies and recent injury history.

I would not do this trade if I was Ken Holland. The Oilers top six is already an offensive juggernaut, what Dave Tippett needs is a bottom six that can contribute more offensively and button up its defensive play. DeBrusk is not the solution for Edmonton. He has a boatload of talent, and should be playing top-six minutes somewhere, but not for the Oilers.


Thanks, I was not expecting such an in-depth response. And I agree that a DeBrusk acquisition doesn't make sense for Edmonton for the reasons you stated. Tippett himself has said several times recently that they need to work on getting the GA down, they clearly don't need a one-dimensional scorer.

The one quibble I have with your response is your assertion that DeBrusk's scoring potential is so much higher than Kassian's. I don't agree - the difference you're seeing in past results was due to PP deployment rather than ability. If you look strictly at 5v5 scoring rates over the past 3+ years, you'll see a different picture.

18-19
DeBrusk: 17 goals (1.18 G/60)
Kassian: 12 goals (0.69 G/60)

19-20
D: 12 (0.86)
K: 15 (1.03)

20-21
D: 3 (0.36)
K: 2 (0.39)

21-22
D: 2 (0.54)
K: 3 (0.84)

You have to go back 3 years to find a time when DeBrusk scored at a higher rate than Kassian. Even if you take the aggregate of those 3.25 seasons (heavily weighted to the 1st one for DeBrusk) they are in the same range: 0.84 for DeBrusk vs 0.79 for Kassian.

So even looking at DeBrusk's one good dimension there's no daylight between them. Edmonton declines.
 
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