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Should the picks from not matching the offer-sheet be used to trade for Dvorak

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Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 31 août 2021
Publié: 31 août 2021
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    Let's say Montreal decides not to match the offer-sheet on Kotkaniemi.
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    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (CAR)
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    Should Montreal spend the draft picks from not matching the Kotkaniemi offer-sheet on a trade for Christian Dvorak?


    Do you think Arizona would accept just these two picks for Dvorak?


    Let me know your thoughts :)
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    Should Montreal spend the draft picks from not matching the Kotkaniemi offer-sheet on a trade for Christian Dvorak?
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    31 août 2021 à 20 h 36
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    For all we know, that unprotected first might end up in the top 15 in one of the best draft ever…. Dvorak is a 35 pts 3C whos great at face off. Nothing worth a first and a big time prospect. 2x2nds and a guy like Mysak is the max Id pay
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    31 août 2021 à 20 h 37
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    Of course when Arizona sees that Carolina overpaid for KK (6.1) for one year and gave first and third. Shouldn't the return for 4.4m X 4 years superior Dvorak be much higher?
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    31 août 2021 à 20 h 38
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    have a feeling kk is gone. a lot of money, the habs had a Stanley cup run(lucky,flucky or not bergevin considers it legit) and bergevin doesn't seem to be one to hate admitting he's wrong if it makes his team better.

    Id guess and hope Hertl is option 1 but depending on the price this guy is a good second option. wins face-offs and had a solid season and has control for pretty cheap

    4 years at 4.5 for a solid 2 c and you only get a probable playoff team's first and third. that's not enough especially when you hold the trade in your hands. why move him now for nothing.
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    31 août 2021 à 20 h 39
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    At 25 y. o. Dvorak never got a 40 points season even if he has quality time on ice (PP included) with quality wingers.

    KK got 34 points at his rookie season playing on the bottom 6.

    No.
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    31 août 2021 à 20 h 45
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    If they take the picks I'd rather see them go for a more interesting top 6 C. They have Evans and Poehling, these guys can become C's in the mold of Dvorak, the habs need someone with more upside for the top 6 IMO.
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    31 août 2021 à 20 h 48
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    Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
    have a feeling kk is gone. a lot of money, the habs had a Stanley cup run(lucky,flucky or not bergevin considers it legit) and bergevin doesn't seem to be one to hate admitting he's wrong if it makes his team better.

    Id guess and hope Hertl is option 1 but depending on the price this guy is a good second option. wins face-offs and had a solid season and has control for pretty cheap

    4 years at 4.5 for a solid 2 c and you only get a probable playoff team's first and third. that's not enough especially when you hold the trade in your hands. why move him now for nothing.


    Hertl has a list of only 3 teams that can trade for him.


    Excluding the San Jose Sharks, there are 31 other teams in the NHL.


    That means the odds that Montreal is on his list are slightly under 1 in 10.

    The same can be said about Ottawa.
    31 août 2021 à 20 h 48
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    At 25 y. o. Dvorak never got a 40 points season even if he has quality time on ice (PP included) with quality wingers.

    KK got 34 points at his rookie season playing on the bottom 6.

    No.


    Dvorak produced at a 44 point rate in 82 games the last two seasons.
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    31 août 2021 à 20 h 49
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    Bergy can phone his old team mate Stevie Y and ask about Larkin.
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    31 août 2021 à 20 h 50
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    Dvorak produced at a 44 point rate in 82 games the last two seasons.


    So I'm factually right when I say he never had a 40 points season.
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    31 août 2021 à 20 h 50
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    Hertl has a list of only 3 teams that can trade for him.


    Excluding the San Jose Sharks, there are 31 other teams in the NHL.


    That means the odds that Montreal is on his list are slightly under 1 in 10.

    The same can be said about Ottawa.


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    31 août 2021 à 20 h 52
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    So I'm factually right when I say he never had a 40 points season.


    Had the two seasons not been shortened due to Covid he would likely of hit the 40+ point mark was all my point was.
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    31 août 2021 à 21 h 26
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    Quoting: math731
    For all we know, that unprotected first might end up in the top 15 in one of the best draft ever…. Dvorak is a 35 pts 3C whos great at face off. Nothing worth a first and a big time prospect. 2x2nds and a guy like Mysak is the max Id pay


    At this point I'd bet even money Dvorak ends up being better than KK.
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    31 août 2021 à 21 h 32
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    At 25 y. o. Dvorak never got a 40 points season even if he has quality time on ice (PP included) with quality wingers.

    KK got 34 points at his rookie season playing on the bottom 6.

    No.


    Dvorak got 33 points in his rookie season.

    Dvorak had 31 points in 56 games this year given the covid shortened season. That's about a 44 or 45 point pace.

    In the last 3 years Dvorak has 146 GP 37 g and 76 pts
    Same time period Kotkaniemi has 171 GP 22 g and 62 pts

    Now most certainly it needs to be pointed out that Dvorak entered the league 2 years older and is 4 years older.

    But given the huge salary differences and the fact that Dvorak's is locked in through his prime.... Id be tempted to take Dvorak over Kk
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    31 août 2021 à 21 h 49
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    Quoting: math731
    For all we know, that unprotected first might end up in the top 15 in one of the best draft ever…. Dvorak is a 35 pts 3C whos great at face off. Nothing worth a first and a big time prospect. 2x2nds and a guy like Mysak is the max Id pay


    Do you believe the Carolina Hurricanes will miss the playoffs?


    That's the only way the unprotected 1st might end up in the top 15.
    1 sept. 2021 à 6 h 22
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    Do you believe the Carolina Hurricanes will miss the playoffs?


    That's the only way the unprotected 1st might end up in the top 15.


    PIT, WAS, NYI, PHI and NYR can all be better than CAR
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