Regardless of trade value and assuming these moves work, move Klefbom to LTIR and sign Tatar.

Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
Tatar - Drai - Yamamoto
Foegele - Nuge - Brown

That's a very good top 9 and would turn a rather poor Holland off-season into a much better one.

Trust me you don’t want Jordie Benn

and that's a pretty solid NO from OTT...
You want C.Brown, we want Yamamoto AND Puljujärvi

Ah the Koskinen debate…. Well you all know where I stand. Koskinen is meh, but overpaid. He needs to go. He makes a total of 4.5M for 1 year, and is a backup. Down below is his stats as an NHL goalie….. as you can see, he has never been the best NHL goalie, but he has been okay. Yes, our fan base is one of the worst, but there is a time that we need to win, and our time is now. We need a good starter. If we can get that, then I would have to say that we will be a good team this year. Comparing him to starters like Markstrom, Ullmark, etc is not fair, because he is simply not as good as they are, also, they played on way worse teams then Koskinen has. That will play with your stats a lot in my opinion, which is another reason why it’s not fair to compare. For example John Gibson, he has bad stats, because he plays on Anaheim, even though he is a top 5 goalie in the league in my opinion. Given Koskinen’s last 4 years, I think his 2019-2020 SV% was a fluke, because he has never been that good since. Anyway, goalies are voodoo, most will play good one game, and not so good the next. But is that the case for old Mikko…. I don’t know. He is okay, but you can’t say he is underrated, and you definitely can’t say he is anything other than an okay overpaid backup goalie.


2010-2011: NYI: 4GP, 2W, 1L, 4.33GAA, .873SV%
2018-2019: EDM: 55GP, 25W, 21L, 6OTL, 2.93GAA, .906SV%
2019-2020: EDM: 38GP, 18W, 13L, 3OTL, 2.75GAA, .917SV%
2020-2021: EDM: 26GP, 13W, 13L, 3.17GAA, .899SV%

To make this trade for Connor Brown worthwhile for Ottawa:


1. Turn the 2023 1st into a 2022 1st.

2. Swap out Lavoie for Yamamoto.


Those are the minimum requirements for a Connor Brown trade.

He's highly valued in our nation's capital

This is the exact trade that I want Dorion to make.

CBrown is loved, but thats because we havent had much to love in OTT recently

Lavoie looks great, and fits the rebuild timeline better. OTT is going to need impactful players on ELC in 2 years and Lavoie can be one of those players.

If you swapped the 1st to 2022, I would be in favour of accepting this.

There is no reason or incentive for Ottawa to pick up a Koskinen dump in a Brown trade. Much like the Sabres being unwilling to include a Skinner or Okposo dump in an Eichel trade, I cant imagine much of an appetite for bringing that sort of asset in while moving a valuable player out. If you want to give a 1st and a prospect for Brown, be my guest but your Koskinen cap dump should be aimed at Buffalo or Arizona.

I have zero problems doing that. The 2023 First rounder is MUCH more valuable with 2 potential Generational talents sitting at the top, in whats being deemed the deepest draft since McDavids in 2015. As for Yamamoto, id also gladly swap him. He got crushed in the playoffs by the big boys. I'd sooner keep the 6'4" fast, sharp shooter in Lavoie. Done. No take backs lol

Why you posted the 4 game cameo as a rookie is beyond me. Then his 1st year on north American ice in a decade should be taken with a grain of salt. If you exclude his overworked 13 game stretch to start last season, his numbers would look much similar to 2019-20. So what seasons were actually a fluke now? See what i did there. Easily reversed your entire debate. I think my version may be the one closer to the truth then yours. The 2018-19 Oilers were not very good. In fact our defense the past few seasons has been highly suspect defensively. I believe the better version of Koskinen is closer to what he actually is. What do you think he would of looked like behind Tampas Defence?

Theres not much left. Go look at the free agents remaining and then click to see whos supporting the best plus/minus. Its Benn. I'm ok with him for a season, and some of the rookies like Broberg or Samorukov may push him out mid season anyway

Your assumptions are WAY off. Anaheim, Buffalo and Vancouver (and Calgary) have not been markedly worse defensively than Edmonton, and yet those goalies are showing similar stats to Koskinen. You need to fact check yourself.

5v5 shots against per 60, 2019-20 - 2020-21 (rank is based on the top 35 goalies by TOI)
22. Markstrom: 30.65
23. Ullmark: 30.7
25. Gibson: 31.07
35. Koskinen: 32.34

5v5 High Danger shots against per 60, 2019-20 - 2020-21
7. Ullmark: 7.03
19. Markstrom: 7.68
29. Koskinen: 8.50
32. Gibson: 8.78

Koskinen actually faced the most shots of the four and had a lot of high danger chances against, too. So your whole premise is shot to pieces here. Now lets look at how each goalie fared.

5v5 save percentage, 2019-20 - 2020-21 (rank is based on the top 35 goalies by TOI)
3. Ullmark: .932
19. Markstrom: .921
25. Gibson: .916
27. Koskinen: .915

5v5 High Danger save percentage, 2019-20 - 2020-21
12. Koskinen: .833
20. Markstrom: .821
22. Ullmark: .819
24. Gibson: .814

Koskinen is certainly in the mix with these starters as far as his stats go. All these guys get paid more, too.

Brown isn't a big guy and you also went out and got the 5'9 Hinostroza? If you're concerned about size being an issue you wouldn't have made either of those deals.

I wouldn't be surprised if Samorukov won the 3LD job out of camp. But Tippett and Holland love Russell so there won't be any further acquisitions at LHD IMO.

I peed myself a bit. Thanks for the laugh

he was part of the "no touch" list that Garrioch published a couple months prior to the offseason (6 players) which constitute the core that they'll build around... Garrioch has pretty solid leaks coming from Ottawa management

FYI so your offer also laughable

1. "The 2023 First rounder is MUCH more valuable with 2 potential Generational talents sitting at the top, in whats being deemed the deepest draft since McDavids in 2015."


I'm not sure about that.

In order to get one of those "generational" talents, you would need to win the lottery first and that would most likely require tanking.

Edmonton hasn't picked in the Top 5 since 2016.

I will add that the 2022 1st having any lottery protection would be a deal breaker.



2. "As for Yamamoto, id also gladly swap him. He got crushed in the playoffs by the big boys. I'd sooner keep the 6'4" fast, sharp shooter in Lavoie."


If Yamamoto got crushed in the playoffs by the "big boys", coaching staff wouldn't have given him 35 minutes of ice time in the final playoff game against the Jets

Ottawa may not even make the playoffs this season, so your point could be pretty much moot.


Logan Brown was supposed to be this 6'6" centreman who excelled at both ends of the ice and assert dominance in the offensive zone.

Somewhat like what you're expecting Lavoie to become.

Turns out, it never happened

Niemelainen is likely going to be in the mix as well, he had a very good year in Bakersfield and is built to play a shut-down role.

Perhaps but after Tkachuk and Batherson this offseason. Then Norris and Stutzle and the likes over the next 2 years. There wont be cash for Brown. Hes not getting younger and He will walk for nothing imho. Better to put pieces in place now to grow with the team. And in Yamamotos last 81 games since his callup Jan 1 2020 has 47 points. Hes not going for Brown. You know that, i know that.

Logan Brown and Lavoie have basically nothing in common. Lavoie is a pure sniper.

My point is that Logan Brown was supposed to be this "big boy" that wouldn't get "crushed".

Something that happened to Yamamoto, according to Drai by shooting.


Whether Lavoie is a big boy that wouldn't get crushed in the playoffs remains to be seen.

Considering he's never played a single NHL game yet.

Lets be honest here, since his callup Jan1, 2020 Yamamoto has 47 points in 81 games. He wouldnt be in the trade. End of discussion. You know that, i know that. Hes a kid. Brown is not. Like i just posted. Brown will walk for nothing when ottawa cant afford his ask. With Tkachuk, Batherson, Norris and Stutzle and others needing contracts before and at the same time. Take the necessary growing puzzle pieces and move along. Plenty of others on this post and my other posts seem to think its just fine. Be realistic not a total fanboy. I honestly think if Dorion is presented with that offer (and you can keep forsberg), that he'd take it. I have no issues tossing in another smaller piece to push it through. But dont get crazy silly with the asks lol

Well i was just going to put future considerations as the return lol and just clicked Vinny on my way out as a cheap return. Could of been a bucket of pucks for all i care

That package doesn’t get you Connor Brown alone

Thanks for tuning in and ruining my dreams Pierre Dorion