15 juin 2016
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ural740811</b></div><div>Don't bother trying to convince Oilers fans not to do it. I myself am not a supporter of this exchange, I am absolutely comfortable with Barry in our team, even as the seventh defender, he adds variability to defense, with the right partner, Barry is a defender in a scarce position, with unique skills. It's just that with Kessel's signing rumors on the rise, Barry's trade is the only way to fit Kessel under the ceiling in our team.</div></div>
If you need cap space, trade Barrie to Buffalo for say, Owen Power, it is just for cap space, right? lol
The top6 is set for awhile. I expect DeBrincat to resign, so it’s more likely that Giroux is the first to be replaced in that top6. Greig might replace him, or maybe it’s Joseph, or maybe an UFA, but it won’t be Formenton or Boucher. There’s three seasons to figure it out.
Chychrun moves the bar on this team. It doesn’t matter if it’s Greig going the other way, or Zub, a top3D of Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson is playoff worthy.
Chychrun is more valuable than Pinto, but I don’t trade Pinto for Chychrun.
I would give the 2023 1st with either Zub or Greig for Chychrun. Yes it’s a lot, but the Sens win the trade even if they lose the value exchange, as long as Zaitsev’s contract goes as well. No Zaitsev’s contract is not bad enough to account for the entire value of the 1st. It’s actually only about $1MM over value, but Ottawa needs to dump it, and that’s why they’ll need to pay extra.
Don’t come at me with crap about Zaitsev being worth less than $3.5MM per, because I can respond equally well. It’s bias that fuels that opinion.
Just some thoughts. I try to avoid Capfriendly during the offseason, as it gets a bit ridiculous here with some “logic”. So if you respond, be patient for my response.
I read most of the first parts, but skipped over a lot of the draft, too volatile to predict.
I don’t have an issue with 3 goalies, especially since the best one has concussion issues. Having Gus around as the 3rd goalie doesn’t hurt, imo. If Murray is healthy and feeling fine, he’s as good as anyone in the league on any given night. If his concussion symptoms return, put him on IR and keep going. Make sure Murray is good to go before he starts, and run him as long as he’s able, to the end of this contract. If cap is tight in Murray’s final season, then he needs to step up, or sit on LTIR, and let insurance pay 80% of his salary, I think that’s the going rate.
Forsberg is not a good #1 goalie, and neither is Gus, but Gus could be a solid starter, an average #1 goalie.
Ottawa goalie prospects since 2007
2020 #71 Leevi Merilainen
2019 #37 Mads Sogaard
2018 #157 Kevin Mandolese
2017 #183 Jordan Hollett
2016 #55 Filip Gustavsson (included because his NHL debut was with Ottawa)
2015 #199 Joey Daccord
2013 #78 Marcus Hogberg
2012 #76 Chris Driedger
2012 #166 Francois Brassard
2009 #46 Robin Lehner
Most goalies are drafted in the 3rd round, which are now picks #65-#96, but before 2016, it was picks #61-#90. Goalies considered better than avg, based on draft position;
2009 #46 Robin Lehner
2016 #55 Filip Gustavsson
2019 #37 Mads Sogaard
Gus is fine for now, until Sogaard is ready, and Forsberg should be fine for now, as Gus gets better. Murray just gives that hope of dominating, when the concussion symptoms aren’t there. We’ll see where this trio goes, but these three guys, Murray, Forsberg, and Gustavsson, are holding the spot for Sogaard.
Chabot - a true #1D
Sanderson - a definite #2D-#3D even never having played an NHL game
Zub a very solid #3D-#4D
Zaitsev - the never complaining workhorse that the farmer relies on to pull the plow, while everyone wants to see the thoroughbred horses pull the plow
Hamonic - just another workhorse
Brannstrom - the thoroughbred that looks like a thoroughbred, acts like a thoroughbred, but doesn’t perform like a thoroughbred
JBD - the workhorse that’s undersized, but gets the job done
Thomson - the wildcard, might be a #2D-#3D, might be a #4D-#5D, we want the former, of course, but he isn’t, yet
I always come back to missing out on Graves last offseason, and now watching Chabot pair with Graves at the WC, it stings worse 😆
This is the season that one or both of Thomson and JBD work their way into the lineup. They don’t need to be there on opening day, but eventually injuries will get them into the lineup.
The team doesn’t need a top4 D unless they think Thomson and or JBD aren’t going to be top4D, since they have Chabot, Sanderson, Zub. They’re not getting anyone better than Chabot or Sanderson. BTW, when I say top4D, I mean playoff team top4D.
Have to go, I’ll do the forwards later
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mr_noodles</b></div><div>Figured they might want someone to pair with Chabot but agree Barrie might not be the best fit. They are desperate to end the rebuild so I wondered if they might be buying on defence.</div></div>
Ottawa is reported to be looking for a top4 defenceman, but I think that’s a little vague. What they are looking for is a top3 defenceman with a high defensive awareness that could possibly pair with Chabot.
The problem is, they have nine NHL defencemen.
Chabot, Zaitsev, Hamonic, Zub, Del Zotto, Holden, Sanderson, Brannstrom, and Mete, not to mention rookies Thomson and Bernard-Docker. They already said they weren’t giving Mete a QO, so that leaves eight, so if they acquire another defenceman, two have to go, and the rookies stay in the AHL.
They’re trying to consolidate assets, but so are all the other teams coming out of rebuild, namely Detroit, New Jersey, and Los Angeles.
Connor Murphy is a guy I wanted, but now he has concussion issues, so better to wait a year on him to see a full recovery.
Anyway, just some info, no need to respond.
2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
Kubalik, Dominik [RFA Rights]
2022 3rd round pick (TOR)
There’s no reason for Ottawa to do this deal. Connor Murphy is coming off a two concussion season, the second he had to be taken off on a stretcher, and Kubalik is just another bottom6 left shot winger, which Ottawa has plenty of, including Parker Kelly, the guy who hit Murphy for that second concussion.
Matt Murray also has concussion issues, but if he’s fine, he’ll play well, and if he’s not, they’ll put him on IR and let insurance pay his salary, or LTIR him if they need the cap space.
Ottawa isn’t giving up a decent prospect like Ostapchuk, and lose on a pick swap, for these players.
Ottawa says no
2022 2nd round pick (OTT)
I don’t know why so many Canuck fans want to trade Garland, but I’d pay that to get him. I’m not a Garland fan, but he just keeps performing well, and at some point, I have to just say, I was wrong, he’s legit.
Sure he’s not a 30 goal scorer, but he’s a very solid top6 winger, preferably 2nd line. He’s basically what I expect out of Colin White, if White was given the same opportunity that Garland has had, a 20G-30A-50 point player. Four more years at $4.95MM is fair as well.