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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 3 heures

Sujet: Kravtsov to SJS

NYR
2023 1st round pick (OTT)
2022 7th round pick (NYI)
OTT
Strome, Ryan

"Yes Strome is worth a 1st, don't kid yourself saying he isn't"

People adding 7th rounds picks, other than to balance number of picks being exchanged, make me laugh, there's no trade value in them. It just replaces a warm body.

Strome is worth two 2nds, high and low, or maybe a 2nd and a 3rd (like Buffalo). Yes you can trade two 2nds for a 1st, but a very late one, nowhere near where most teams 1st's will be, those who can afford him.

Ottawa has what should be a decent 2nd, their own, and a low 2nd, the TBL pick. That's a fair offer for Ryan Strome.

Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 3 heures

Sujet: 2022 Team

23/24 contracts

Stützle
Pinto
JBD
Gustavsson

8/3/1 signed, so you need
4 forwards (Stützle & Pinto plus 2 more)
3 defencemen (JBD + 2 more)
1 goalie (Gustavsson)

$60.4MM committed to 12 players, $21.1 in cap space

Stützle - $9.5MM (Low estimate)
Pinto - $6.5MM (Your Norris Contract, might be higher as he might pass Norris on depth chart)
JBD - $2.5MM (Zub contract)
Gustavsson - $3.5MM (Jarry contract)

That's $22MM, and still need 4 more players, plus 2 or 3 healthy scratches. 23/24 league minimum salary will be $775,000, so 6 players require $4.65MM

$60.4MM
$22MM
$4.65MM
---------------
$87MM

Or about $5.5MM over the current cap, which will go up, but not by that much.

That's with 6 league minimum salary players, with 4 dressing every game. Prospects will increase that number because most make more than league minimum.

Then in 24/25, here are the RFA's
Sanderson ($10MM+?)
Kravtsov
Greig ($4MM bridge?)

With only $13MM free cap space (all league minimums are replaced with more league minimums)

This is why people keep saying, stay the course, there isn't as much cap space as people think. Signing or trading for one UFA might be okay, but not four.

As for Weegar, he's a 1st pair D, not 3rd pair, your offer isn't enough.

Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 19 heures

Sujet: Why doesnt Ottawa trade for Jack Eichel

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles10</b></div><div>I here you. You got some valid points, but don’t agree with Gustavsson and their goalie situation. They have Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, Erik Portillo, not a famous name but one of the best goalie prospects in the world. Then they got Devon Levi from the Reinhart trade. So I don’t think they feel the need from another goalie prospect.</div></div>

That's my point, none of those guys are even close to playing an NHL game, let alone be a starter, whereas Gustavsson is there. In 3-5 years when these guys are ready, then they can push Gustavsson for the job.

Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 22 heures

Sujet: Eichel trade

DET
Eichel, Jack
2023 2nd round pick (BUF)
BUF
Leddy, Nick
Zadina, Filip
Lindström, Gustav
Cossa, Sebastian
2024 1st round pick (DET)

Leddy gets added into the trade to shed real cash (he's owed 7 million this year).
Zadina could use a change of scenery.
Lindstrom is a proven young bottom pair Dman.
Cossa is a top goalie prospect.
2024 1st Rd pick, hopefully the Wings are in playoff contention by than.

Obviously 5 trade pieces is too much, so pick one piece and remove it to make the trade fair.

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The pieces have to be good pieces. None of these pieces can be considered, "the main piece"

Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 22 heures

Sujet: Why doesnt Ottawa trade for Jack Eichel

OTT
Eichel, Jack
Additional Details:
Colin White added because Buffalo needing salary.
BUF
Pinto, Shane
White, Colin
Thomson, Lassi
Greig, Ridly
2022 1st round pick (OTT)

There's no Eichel trade without White, because they like White, but, I expect White gets bought out this summer and becomes a UFA. The injury keeps him from proving his worth, and this is the last summer to buy him out at 1/3 cost. There's no upside to keeping him, which is too bad because I like Colin White, and still think he can be a 2C. So if one of his supporters thinks he's getting bought out, it's on the table for Dorion.

Secondly, Ottawa wouldn't give 3 centres for Eichel. White can play RW and Greig can play LW, but they can play centre if there's a need, so Ottawa isn't trading 3 centre options.

Lastly, and I'm a minority on this opinion, but there's no Eichel trade without Gustavsson being included. Buffalo needs a goaltender. All they have are old guys on expiring contracts, and prospects too far from being ready. Gustavsson fills a need there.

Forum: NHL SigningsSat at 7:15 pm

Sujet: Ottawa Senators signed Brady Tkachuk (7 Years / $8,205,714 AAV)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MadLin27</b></div><div>Thats a fair rebuttal. I would contest that I am not "assuming", but rather predicting that he could score more on a different team.
Good players create synergy. There haven't been enough good players on Ottawa for Tkachuk to create such synergy.

The contract is high. 100%. It also could set a bad precedent for Stutzle, but I think its obvious Tkachuk is a very important piece of this teams core. Tanglibles and intangible.</div></div>

Suzuki $63MM over 8 years, the 8th is $6MM. Subtract that $6MM year, and it's $57MM for 7 years, $500K less than Brady over the 7 seasons.

Forum: NHL SigningsSat at 7:02 pm

Sujet: Boston Bruins signed Charlie McAvoy (8 Years / $9,500,000 AAV)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Again 800k when talking multi-million dollar contracts is nothing. Your example isn't talking about multi-million deals, just a team that's awful with their cap. How many impact players are making 800k</div></div>

Ridiculous homer take. McAvoy should have signed for $10.3MM, since it's nothing. I'm done with this silliness.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 5:10 pm

Sujet: bumz

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>No way i do the chicago trade. Strome is a guy that i dont want any part of. Hes cody hodgson all over again- poor skating, offense only center. Its not like hes coming here to shield the young guys, he needs the same sheltered minutes you wanna give them.</div></div>

<a href="https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/ed-willes-the-bust-canuck-fans-remember-as-cody-hodgson-requires-a-closer-look" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Cody Hodgson</a>

Forum: NHL SigningsSat at 4:48 pm

Sujet: Boston Bruins signed Charlie McAvoy (8 Years / $9,500,000 AAV)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Ok?</div></div>

It's a dig on the Leafs while showing that it's not an insignificant amount of money, as you are trying to pretend it is. It's equal to 9% of Bergeron's contract.

Forum: NHL SigningsSat at 3:04 pm

Sujet: Boston Bruins signed Charlie McAvoy (8 Years / $9,500,000 AAV)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Ya 800k isn't a huge difference when talking multi million dollar deals. I still stand by they are very similar CH%'s....because they are</div></div>

I bet the Leafs wish they had $800K extra right now, lol

Forum: NHL SigningsSat at 8:52 am

Sujet: Boston Bruins signed Charlie McAvoy (8 Years / $9,500,000 AAV)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>What if I told you that McAvoy's CH% is very similar to what Bergeron signed 8yrs ago.</div></div>

I'd say you didn't mention the specific numbers on purpose, because they aren't "very similar", it's a full percentage point higher.

McAvoy 11.66%
Bergeron 10.66%.

The cap when Bergeron signed was $64.3MM, but if it was $81.5MM, his AAV would have been $8,687,900 or $812,100 less than McAvoy, That is a difference that is even greater than the league minimum salary of $750K

Forum: NHL SigningsThu at 12:00 pm

Sujet: Ottawa Senators signed Brady Tkachuk (7 Years / $8,205,714 AAV)

I wanted $7MM, but $8MM wasn't a deal breaker. I'm not quibbling over $200K, good signing

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 1:20 pm

Sujet: A familiar face for the season opener no Tkachuk

We'll have a better idea in 40 minutes when today's waiver claims are official.

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 10:52 am

Sujet: Going Back in Time To Save The Oilers

Capfriendly only has 11 forwards listed for the Sens, and $251,667 below the floor. I'm thinking the 12th forward, even at league minimum, gets them above, lol

Forum: Armchair-GM10 oct à 3 h 40

Sujet: Strome Home sort of

After looking over the Blackhawks roster, you should be asking for a LD, not a RD. You have Jones and Murphy on the right side forn five more years, but only McCabe on the left. DeHaan needs to be replaced, soon.

Forum: Armchair-GM10 oct à 3 h 30

Sujet: Dylan Strome

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>I responding to sensonfire's comment about late 2nd and 3rd round picks, I would think the Hawks would be listening if it was the Sens 2nd and 3rd rounder though</div></div>

I had to put him on ignore again.

The Hawks would be listening more intently if Thomson was included in the deal, if that's your argument.

Forum: Armchair-GM 9 oct à 22 h 51

Sujet: Dylan Strome

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>I'd rather give up Tampa's 2nd + one of our 2022 3rds for Strome straight up than just give up on Lassi entirely.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Hawks will want the Sens 2nd, TBL 2nd is basically a 3rd</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>Done :)</div></div>

That's a worse return than getting Thomson, I'd take it too. Thomson isn't enough for Strome and you're negotiating a worse deal, hilarious

Forum: Armchair-GM 9 oct à 22 h 48

Sujet: Getting Dylan Strome without giving up on Lassi Thomson

"Giving up on" classic biased rhetoric

It isn't giving up on anyone being traded for a quality player, and since the offer is light to begin with, Ottawa wins that other trade hands down.

Forum: Armchair-GM 9 oct à 21 h 45

Sujet: Dylan Strome

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>athrin</b></div><div>OTT declines, Lassi has been one of OTT best prospect lately and considering their are week at RD in prospect they not trading him for a 3C.</div></div>

Thomson was the forgotten prospect two months ago, and now he's worth more than a former 3rd overall with 200 NHL games? This is the problem with prospects, they are all shiny and new, but a good prospect is just a middle6 forward or second pair defender, Strome is that and more already.

Forum: Armchair-GM 9 oct à 21 h 36

Sujet: Dylan Strome

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>IconicHawk</b></div><div>Just don’t give us Colin White for the love of god</div></div>

Colin White will be a UFA after being bought out next summer. He'll sign with someone and be an NHL player for a long time.

Forum: Armchair-GM 9 oct à 21 h 17

Sujet: Strome Home sort of

CHI
Thomson, Lassi
2022 3rd round pick (OTT)
OTT
Strome, Dylan
2022 4th round pick (CHI)

I do this.

I like Thomson, but Strome is a very good player. He struggled early last season, but did much better after he returned from his concussion. Ottawa needs another good young centre, and can afford to give Thomson.

Forum: Armchair-GM 9 oct à 20 h 38

Sujet: Tkachuk for tarasenko

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>To clarify he is worse way less.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>They guy who is top 10 i sbots every year and top 10 i hits every year but has no team mates to actually help get it into the back of the net is worth way less?</div></div>

This guy is trolling, he is just making comments meant to be argumentative. I doubt even he believes his crap.

Brady will eventually sign

Forum: Armchair-GM 9 oct à 20 h 35

Sujet: Tkachuk for tarasenko

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>Youre making my point. Brady should be taking a beating as his request is insane.</div></div>

I didn't make your point at all, my comment is about return, yours is about contract

Forum: Armchair-GM 9 oct à 10 h 05

Sujet: Tkachuk for tarasenko

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>Brady is not THAT good either. His hype is way ahead of his game</div></div>

Brady is taking a beating in the media over whether he’s worth $7MM, $8MM, or $8.5MM, did Kyrou take the same beating when he signed for $2.8MM in Aug?

This is a pathetic trade offer

Forum: Armchair-GM 9 oct à 9 h 56

Sujet: Tkachuk for tarasenko

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Awful deal for the Sens. Brady will sign soon enough, this is nothing new with Tkachuks</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>That's purely your opinion which I disagree with</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Radu47</b></div><div>You almost never back up your very strong opinions, it's almost always just posturing and these chat boxes don't have a character limit whatsoever

Go wild 😉

Give us some reasoning behind your staunchness</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Radu47</b></div><div>The replies here are pathetic

Like seriously folks

😑

Kyrou is only one year older than Brady and was a point away from equaling his point total: how on earth are they not at least roughly similar assets??

His possession numbers are pretty similar too

Ottawa also gets Bellows *and* a late 1st

Y'all owe OP an apology</div></div>

Kyrou had 12 points in his first 10 games on an unsustainable 20% shooting percentage. He had 23 points in his final 45 games on a still good 12.5% shooting percentage. He’s a mid 40’s winger, and the hype over this guy is hilarious.

Tarasenko is an old and broken down winger with a bad contract.

This trade is ridiculous

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