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Forum: Armchair-GM10 juin à 17 h 11
Sujet: Long Term Sens and 2022 Draft Targets
I read most of the first parts, but skipped over a lot of the draft, too volatile to predict.

Goalies

I don’t have an issue with 3 goalies, especially since the best one has concussion issues. Having Gus around as the 3rd goalie doesn’t hurt, imo. If Murray is healthy and feeling fine, he’s as good as anyone in the league on any given night. If his concussion symptoms return, put him on IR and keep going. Make sure Murray is good to go before he starts, and run him as long as he’s able, to the end of this contract. If cap is tight in Murray’s final season, then he needs to step up, or sit on LTIR, and let insurance pay 80% of his salary, I think that’s the going rate.

Forsberg is not a good #1 goalie, and neither is Gus, but Gus could be a solid starter, an average #1 goalie.

Ottawa goalie prospects since 2007
2020 #71 Leevi Merilainen
2019 #37 Mads Sogaard
2018 #157 Kevin Mandolese
2017 #183 Jordan Hollett
2016 #55 Filip Gustavsson (included because his NHL debut was with Ottawa)
2015 #199 Joey Daccord
2013 #78 Marcus Hogberg
2012 #76 Chris Driedger
2012 #166 Francois Brassard
2009 #46 Robin Lehner

Most goalies are drafted in the 3rd round, which are now picks #65-#96, but before 2016, it was picks #61-#90. Goalies considered better than avg, based on draft position;
2009 #46 Robin Lehner
2016 #55 Filip Gustavsson
2019 #37 Mads Sogaard

Gus is fine for now, until Sogaard is ready, and Forsberg should be fine for now, as Gus gets better. Murray just gives that hope of dominating, when the concussion symptoms aren’t there. We’ll see where this trio goes, but these three guys, Murray, Forsberg, and Gustavsson, are holding the spot for Sogaard.

Defence

Chabot - a true #1D
Sanderson - a definite #2D-#3D even never having played an NHL game
Zub a very solid #3D-#4D

Zaitsev - the never complaining workhorse that the farmer relies on to pull the plow, while everyone wants to see the thoroughbred horses pull the plow
Hamonic - just another workhorse
Brannstrom - the thoroughbred that looks like a thoroughbred, acts like a thoroughbred, but doesn’t perform like a thoroughbred
JBD - the workhorse that’s undersized, but gets the job done
Thomson - the wildcard, might be a #2D-#3D, might be a #4D-#5D, we want the former, of course, but he isn’t, yet

I always come back to missing out on Graves last offseason, and now watching Chabot pair with Graves at the WC, it stings worse 😆

This is the season that one or both of Thomson and JBD work their way into the lineup. They don’t need to be there on opening day, but eventually injuries will get them into the lineup.

The team doesn’t need a top4 D unless they think Thomson and or JBD aren’t going to be top4D, since they have Chabot, Sanderson, Zub. They’re not getting anyone better than Chabot or Sanderson. BTW, when I say top4D, I mean playoff team top4D.

Have to go, I’ll do the forwards later
Forum: Armchair-GM1 juin à 23 h 26
Sujet: Cap Hell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mr_noodles</b></div><div>Figured they might want someone to pair with Chabot but agree Barrie might not be the best fit. They are desperate to end the rebuild so I wondered if they might be buying on defence.</div></div>


Ottawa is reported to be looking for a top4 defenceman, but I think that’s a little vague. What they are looking for is a top3 defenceman with a high defensive awareness that could possibly pair with Chabot.

The problem is, they have nine NHL defencemen.

Chabot, Zaitsev, Hamonic, Zub, Del Zotto, Holden, Sanderson, Brannstrom, and Mete, not to mention rookies Thomson and Bernard-Docker. They already said they weren’t giving Mete a QO, so that leaves eight, so if they acquire another defenceman, two have to go, and the rookies stay in the AHL.

They’re trying to consolidate assets, but so are all the other teams coming out of rebuild, namely Detroit, New Jersey, and Los Angeles.

Connor Murphy is a guy I wanted, but now he has concussion issues, so better to wait a year on him to see a full recovery.

Anyway, just some info, no need to respond.
Forum: Armchair-GM1 juin à 16 h 7
Forum: Armchair-GM28 mai à 14 h 14
Sujet: Question to OTT fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>The one thing I'd say about Murphy's injury history is that it's not typically the same thing. It's not like Calvin DeHaan with three years in a row with the same shoulder...to which he even came back from that too to be honest. I'm not suggesting he never ever gets hurt....that's just part of hockey, but... Back, Groin, Hip, Then this past year the 1st time he received a concussion with the Hawks. Full Injury history below for transparency.

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/players/news/connor-murphy/2160/</div></div>

I was looking into Murphy’s past for other concussions, and I didn’t see any. In fact, he seems to have different injuries, just a lot of them, luckily short term mostly.

So I understand what you’re saying, but this is a big one. Ottawa lost Clarke MacArthur to concussions, we fans understand how bad they can get. Dorion would be cautious about acquiring Murphy even if the pick wasn’t involved.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 mai à 12 h 54
Sujet: Pinto
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>Ryan didn't ride on Spezza's coattails. They didn't even play together that much. People anticipated great things between them but they didn't have any chemistry so they were split quite fast. Ryan mostly played with McArthur and Turris in his first few years in Ottawa and that was a great line, until each of these players got derailed by injuries (MacArthur with concussions, Turris with the Gumby incident, Ryan with hands injuries)

Why people continue to talk without knowing has always been beyond me.
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That was the point, his argument was that Fiala will do just as well with Stützle is the same as the arguments that Ryan would do just as well with Spezza. You’ll need to go back and reread the comments, it seems you didn’t get the point.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>What a weird comment that was... Bobby Ryan was a 55+ pts / 0.70+ PPG player the first 8 years of his career. He did that in years where there was a lot less goals scored. That was first line numbers back then.

During his prime (2008-09 to 2015-16), he was the 37th best scorer among NHL forwards, with 437 pts in 584 GP (similar production to Bergeron, Duchene, Jagr, Couture, etc during that period of time)

Several hands injuries (and personal problems) is what made him decline in his late 20's. Who knows how long Fiala's prime is going to last? Or if teams are going to figure out ways to reduce goals against, once again.

Even if you don't account Fiala's first 4 seasons (0.48 PPG player with Nashville), Fiala has been the 27th best forward scorer since his "peak" started in 2019-20. It's great but the hyperbole was ridiculous

If you start comparing at the "same age" (21 years old), then Fiala has been 55th in forwards scoring since 2017-18</div></div>


Again, you didn’t get the point.

I compared the same situation from the other side, the Bobby Ryan side. What a player did before a trade is not always an indication of how they will perform after a trade.

Bobby Ryan continued his PPG pace with Ottawa, he just changed his ratio of goals to assists, until the hand injuries occurred.
Forum: Armchair-GM26 mai à 19 h 1
Sujet: Pinto
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Boldy, Stutzle, and Fiala are far... far... better players than Bobby Ryan ever was.

Bobby Ryan is closer to Frederic Gaudreau or Ryan Hartman than a legitimate top-six player like Fiala.

They're not even close.

The difference is Spezza is Spezza, and Ryan rode his coattails. Fiala was a 70 point pace player <em>before</em> Boldy arrived and dealt with bottom six scrubs during that same timespan. He's closer to Stutzle than to Ryan.

C'mon.</div></div>

You missed the point, you mentioned, "Both Boldy and to that extent Stutzle are more than capable finishers. If they're on his line he'd be more inclined to pass the puck"

I brought up Bobby Ryan because the same thing was said about Spezza and Getzlaf

As for Bobby Ryan, when Fiala has four 30+ goal seasons, then compare Fiala to him
Forum: Armchair-GM26 mai à 18 h 0
Sujet: Pinto
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>1) Fiala has always been a second-half type of player. It's where he's gotten the bulk of his production for his entire career.

I doubt that'll change wherever he goes. Bottom line, he comes out slow.

2) His assists go up when he has linemates of worth capable of playing at or near his level.

IE... top-six talent.

If they're not capable of finishing, why pass the puck? Better to do it himself at that point. Both Boldy and to that extent Stutzle are more than capable finishers. If they're on his line he'd be more inclined to pass the puck.

His assists won't go down if playing with someone like Stutzle. They probably go up.</div></div>

I’ve heard this argument before, and how Bobby Ryan was good for 40 goals playing with Spezza
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