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What the Leafs will have to pay for Rakell at a minimum

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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 12 mars 2021
Publié: 12 mars 2021
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Now, I know what you're thinking.

You're probably thinking what is a Sens fan doing making an ACGM Post about the Leafs.

Is he trolling?

During my time on CapFriendly, I've made ACGM posts about a whole bunch of teams.

And when I do, I always try to tell it like it is, even if I make a post that is widely unpopular.

With your patience and respect, you have my gratitude and thanks :)

In this post, I look at what the Ducks will be asking from the Leafs in a trade involving Rakell.

According to Pierre Lebrun of The Athletic/TSN, Rakell is sought after by dozens of teams across the NHL. He can be a point-per-game player when at his best, his cap hit is under 4 million and he has one more year left on his contract after this one.

That's extremely good value.

According to Lebrun, Rakell would be a good fit for many teams but would be a great fit for the Leafs.

Lebrun believes that a blue-chip prospect on its own will not be enough, so if the Leafs want Rakell to be playing with Marner/Matthews or Tavares/Nylander, they have to kick it up a notch.

I'm of the belief that Dubas/Shanahan will be faced with paying a roster forward of lesser value but at a similar cap hit (Kerfoot), a blue-chip prospect (Rodion Amirov) and a first-round pick at a minimum.

This is what it's going to take to get Rakell to play for the Leafs.

The Assistant GM of Anaheim is a guy named Dave Nonis. You're probably familiar with him ;)

I can imagine that when the Ducks trade with the Leafs, Nonis has a chip on his shoulder.

So, Rakell is not going to come cheap, especially for the Leafs.

Should the Leafs trade for Rakell?

Is Rakell the key piece to the puzzle that will get the Leafs out of the first round and in contention for a Stanley Cup?

Let me know what you guys think in the comments and I'll see you there :D
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This is what TSN had to say about Rakell:

Is incredibly versatile, capable of lining up at any forward position and also able to play several different roles on a hockey team. Excels at the two-way game. His career potential is a quality, versatile two-way forward with some upside.
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12 mars 2021 à 21 h 19
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He won't cost that much, especially since with expansion this summer
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12 mars 2021 à 21 h 22
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so forwards are worth more than top 4 Dman what has this world come to lul

Rakell at most is worth a 1st and Kerfoot
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12 mars 2021 à 21 h 23
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He won't cost that much, especially since with expansion this summer


agreed at most a 1st and Kerfoot as when Leafs traded Muzzin the cost was 2 B prospects and a 1st.
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12 mars 2021 à 21 h 24
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I walk away from that if I'm the Leafs. Don't think he's worth that in regular circumstances, let alone prior to an expansion draft (this would throw a wrench in the Leafs setup, likely leading to an additional asset lost that could've otherwise been kept) and in a year teams are losing money and a lot of GM's aren't authorized to be adding much to their payroll.
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12 mars 2021 à 21 h 25
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Leafs aren't trading Amirov. Kerfoot, Liljegren and a 1st might be possible.
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Show me the comparable trades where you find this value. Lets see 'like it is'.
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What does Rakell really contribute to the Leafs forwards, Seems like an extreme price for the Leafs are any team.
12 mars 2021 à 21 h 31
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This is basically giving up 2 1st round picks and kerfoot for him. **** no this is a bad trade for the leafs
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What does Rakell really contribute to the Leafs forwards, Seems like an extreme price for the Leafs are any team.


I guess u could say hes another Zach Hyman which is true and the leafs could always use some more Hyman like guys. Kerfoot and a 1st for him could work but than the 14 day quarantine becomes a problem
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12 mars 2021 à 21 h 32
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If that's the price, then Dubas laughs and hangs up the phone. Nonis already did enough damage to the team while he was in charge; no need for revenge.
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12 mars 2021 à 21 h 33
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
I walk away from that if I'm the Leafs. Don't think he's worth that in regular circumstances, let alone prior to an expansion draft (this would throw a wrench in the Leafs setup, likely leading to an additional asset lost that could've otherwise been kept) and in a year teams are losing money and a lot of GM's aren't authorized to be adding much to their payroll.


For the Leafs, the difference in the money spent on Rakell vs Kerfoot is a drop in the bucket FYI.
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I guess u could say hes another Zach Hyman which is true and the leafs could always use some more Hyman like guys. Kerfoot and a 1st for him could work but than the 14 day quarantine becomes a problem


And of course as mentioned, this creates a new problem as far as the expansion draft goes. I don't think people are giving these trades much thought.

It would be nice to add a player but not at the expense of losing a valuable asset to the expansion draft.
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12 mars 2021 à 21 h 42
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For the Leafs, the difference in the money spent on Rakell vs Kerfoot is a drop in the bucket FYI.


I'm aware. I wasn't suggesting that the Leafs can't add salary, I'm saying that a buyer's market is likely, considering a fair number of GM's reportedly aren't being granted additional funds to improve their rosters. My point was that I wouldn't pay this for Rakell in a normal year, certainly wouldn't with expansion draft considerations and the fact that sellers likely have less leverage.
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Show me the comparable trades where you find this value. Lets see 'like it is'.


In 2013, Sens spent Silfverberg, Noesen and the 10th overall pick on Bobby Ryan.

In 2014, Rangers spent Ryan Callahan and two 1st round picks on Martin St. Louis who would retire soon afterwards

In 2017, Blues spent Lehtera, the 14th overall pick and a low first on Brayden Schenn

In 2017, that god awful trade for Matt Duchene happened

In 2018, Penguins spent Ian Cole, Filip Gustavsson, a 1st and a 3rd for Derick Brassard.

In 2020, Lightning spent Nolan Foote and the 20th overall pick on Blake Coleman. That's right, Blake Coleman.

In 2020, Islanders spent a 1st, a 2nd and a conditional 3rd on JG Pageau. If it weren't for the pandemic, that 1st could have become a lottery pick.

In a full 82 game season, Rakell can score over 30 goals. He's done it twice.

This is what it might take. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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What does Rakell really contribute to the Leafs forwards, Seems like an extreme price for the Leafs are any team.


He could pot over 30 goals in a full 82 game season. He's done it twice already FYI.
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He could pot over 30 goals in a full 82 game season. He's done it twice already FYI.


Leafs problem is not scoring goals. I don't know how much attention you give to the Leafs but they need physical, defensive minded players, not more goal scorers.
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In 2013, Sens spent Silfverberg, Noesen and the 10th overall pick on Bobby Ryan.

In 2014, Rangers spent Ryan Callahan and two 1st round picks on Martin St. Louis who would retire soon afterwards

In 2017, Blues spent Lehtera, the 14th overall pick and a low first on Brayden Schenn

In 2017, that god awful trade for Matt Duchene happened


So lets have a look at the ones your value actually mimic. You'll notice Rakell isn't a comparable player to those who's value you are comparable to.
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In 2013, Sens spent Silfverberg, Noesen and the 10th overall pick on Bobby Ryan.

In 2014, Rangers spent Ryan Callahan and two 1st round picks on Martin St. Louis who would retire soon afterwards

In 2017, Blues spent Lehtera, the 14th overall pick and a low first on Brayden Schenn

In 2017, that god awful trade for Matt Duchene happened

In 2018, Penguins spent Ian Cole, Filip Gustavsson, a 1st and a 3rd for Derick Brassard.

In 2020, Lightning spent Nolan Foote and the 20th overall pick on Blake Coleman. That's right, Blake Coleman.

In 2020, Islanders spent a 1st, a 2nd and a conditional 3rd on JG Pageau. If it weren't for the pandemic, that 1st could have become a lottery pick.

In a full 82 game season, Rakell can score over 30 goals. He's done it twice.

This is what it might take. Don't say I didn't warn you.


Moving Kerfoot and emptying the cupboards for a player that's a slight step up on Kerfoot in the top 6 seems incredibly foolish
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In 2013, Sens spent Silfverberg, Noesen and the 10th overall pick on Bobby Ryan.

In 2014, Rangers spent Ryan Callahan and two 1st round picks on Martin St. Louis who would retire soon afterwards

In 2017, Blues spent Lehtera, the 14th overall pick and a low first on Brayden Schenn

In 2017, that god awful trade for Matt Duchene happened

In 2018, Penguins spent Ian Cole, Filip Gustavsson, a 1st and a 3rd for Derick Brassard.

In 2020, Lightning spent Nolan Foote and the 20th overall pick on Blake Coleman. That's right, Blake Coleman.

In 2020, Islanders spent a 1st, a 2nd and a conditional 3rd on JG Pageau. If it weren't for the pandemic, that 1st could have become a lottery pick.

In a full 82 game season, Rakell can score over 30 goals. He's done it twice.

This is what it might take. Don't say I didn't warn you.


Islander deal worked out real nice.

Tampa won the cup.

Every other trade was bantha farts.
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Leafs problem is not scoring goals. I don't know how much attention you give to the Leafs but they need physical, defensive minded players, not more goal scorers.


Managing a team with physical, defensive-minded players has never been a reputation for a guy like Kyle Dubas.

Never has been and never will be.

If that is what the Leafs' identity should be, then I guess they should have kept Mike Babcock and Lou Lamoriello around all the while drafting Noah Hanifin instead of Mitch Marner in 2015.

You can't change the past but you can build for the future.
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So lets have a look at the ones your value actually mimic. You'll notice Rakell isn't a comparable player to those who's value you are comparable to.


Nobody will know a trade will fail until it does.

Hindsight is 20/20.
12 mars 2021 à 22 h 12
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Moving Kerfoot and emptying the cupboards for a player that's a slight step up on Kerfoot in the top 6 seems incredibly foolish


You don't even know what emptying the cupboard even means.

Emptying the cupboards would be something like the Duchene trade of 2017 or the EK65 trade of 2018.
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Nobody will know a trade will fail until it does.

Hindsight is 20/20.


Even without looking back. Rakell isn't a comparable to the ones whos value you are close to. He's like Bobby Ryan if Bobby Ryan had 2 terrible seasons before being traded. Why would you value them the same? He's St Louis if St Louis scored 40 less points a season ... why would this be a comparable?
12 mars 2021 à 22 h 19
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You don't even know what emptying the cupboard even means.

Emptying the cupboards would be something like the Duchene trade of 2017 or the EK65 trade of 2018.


How'd that work out?
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Quoting: sensonfire
Managing a team with physical, defensive-minded players has never been a reputation for a guy like Kyle Dubas.

Never has been and never will be.

If that is what the Leafs' identity should be, then I guess they should have kept Mike Babcock and Lou Lamoriello around all the while drafting Noah Hanifin instead of Mitch Marner in 2015.

You can't change the past but you can build for the future.


Getting one more Dman who is responsible is what the Leafs should be doing. They have the offensive firepower and decent goaltending, just need to reduce those 2-1 or 3-1 chances.
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