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What else would you give to the Preds

Créé par: sensonfire
Équipe: 2020-21 Flyers de Philadelphie
Date de création initiale: 12 mars 2021
Publié: 12 mars 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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This is part 2 of my post about the same trade, which I made today.

Instead of asking Preds fans "What else do you ask for from the Flyers?", I would like to ask Flyers fans "What else would you give to the Preds?".

For the record, I think that if this trade happened as is, it would favour the Flyers.

So, I'd like to ask you, the Flyers fanbase, what else would you give to the Preds to make the trade fair?

If you think this trade is already fair, that's fine. :)

If you think this trade is not fair for the Flyers and that the Preds should add more than just Ekholm and Arvidsson at 50% retention, that's fine too :D

I just find it fascinating how two different fanbases see the same trade differently and place a higher value on players from one's own team than on players from another team.

From my last ACGM post about the same trade, some Preds fans asked for at least Morgan Frost and another 1st round pick in addition.

So, what do you think?

Let me know in the comments ;)
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PHI
  1. Arvidsson, Viktor (2 125 000 $ retained)
  2. Ekholm, Mattias (1 875 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Is it fair or do the Preds have to add more? What do you think?
NSH
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (PHI)
Détails additionnels:
Anything else? What do you think?
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12 mars 2021 à 17 h 21
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Well it's far from fair for the Preds and they aren't retaining long-term on both assets. But in terms of ExD and to even out the value the Flyers would need to add at least Sanheim and Frost.
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12 mars 2021 à 17 h 22
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Retaining 50% on Arvy for 4 more years (!) would cost a lot more than that. This isn't close.

Add another 1st, Frost, Patrick, Zamula and then I don't even know... that retention is just too unrealistic to really give you an answer.
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12 mars 2021 à 17 h 27
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I'm very confused. You say that you think the trade as shown favors the Flyers, but then ask what the Preds would need to add in order for it to work?

I'll bite. Nashville should add Ryan Johansen with no salary retention.
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12 mars 2021 à 17 h 28
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Remove the retention from arvidsson, add frost, zamula/ratcliffe
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12 mars 2021 à 17 h 29
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I do find it interesting that I tried to make a post from the Flyers perspective but I actually got faster replies from the Predators fanbase!

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12 mars 2021 à 17 h 36
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I'm very confused. You say that you think the trade as shown favors the Flyers, but then ask what the Preds would need to add in order for it to work?

I'll bite. Nashville should add Ryan Johansen with no salary retention.


I said all that under the assumption that there are ungrateful or irrational fans in every fanbase.

There are some hockey fans, or sports fans for that matter, that know a lot about players on their own teams but know less about players from other teams.

It's all based on what I think are the three tiers of fans on capfriendly from my post "5 things I notice after making an ACGM post" smile
12 mars 2021 à 17 h 39
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I don't really see the point in retaining salary on either contract. Both already have good cap hits and I think if you have ghost and Gus in the deal the money evens out for this season. I could imagine something like ghost Gus Patrick a 1st and a conditional 3rd for both those guys no retention
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12 mars 2021 à 17 h 50
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Lets go Preds
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I can see poile retaining on ekholm but not arvi because him having 4 more years to his deal and it’s already a bargain if he goes back to his normal 11 percent shooting percentage instead of the 3 percent he’s at this year for some reason. I don’t understand if we’re looking for a rebuild why we’re taking ghost or Gus back unless it’s only to balance the cap out. So ghost Gus Patrick frost and 1st would be my ask but would go lower on the pick if need be to get frost and patrick.
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12 mars 2021 à 18 h 38
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Is everybody just gonna skip over the fact that the Flyers are gonna be put into an even bigger expansion pickle if they do the double here? Not only does it cost them a kings ransom, they are gonna lose one of Ekholm/Sanheim/Myers to expansion thereby increasing the price? Not to mention decimating the high end forward prospect pool by losing Frost and Patrick.

Arvidsson is probably worth a 1st plus a guy like Ratcliffe and a mid round pick and Ekholm a 1st plus a guy like andrae. Maybe you make it 2 1sts and Frost OR Patrick. Flyer would be fools to go all in at the beginning of the window.
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