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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures

Sujet: Confusion

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ModanoisCool</b></div><div>Cool to be calling someone stupid. Yop, what an ass response.

Maybe because as Russo made it clear, bill Guerin values leadership, & the fact is nick foligno can play c better than all wild current c's.

Nick foligno isn't being acquired to play wing</div></div>

And FWIW, I called you daft since you didn’t read the purpose of the post. You just spewed the Russo rumblings all of us have heard back at me.

Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures

Sujet: Confusion

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ModanoisCool</b></div><div>Cool to be calling someone stupid. Yop, what an ass response.

Maybe because as Russo made it clear, bill Guerin values leadership, & the fact is nick foligno can play c better than all wild current c's.

Nick foligno isn't being acquired to play wing</div></div>

Here’s the thing. I don’t think Foligno is definitively better than any of the option we currently have. And I’m well aware that Guerin values leadership but every single move he’s made has brought that in as the main piece. You need talent to win as well and can’t win on leadership alone.

Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures

Sujet: Confusion

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OutCold13</b></div><div>I've heard the rumors, but I'm not buying them. I can't see how adding another LW helps the Wild. I'm totally against adding Hall. I hope it's all just speculation because Guerin is talking to the Sabres about Reinhart or possibly laying ground work for a future Eichel trade.</div></div>

They should be out on everybody unless it’s a longer term thing. My point here is, why are we interested in Foligno at all?

Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures

Sujet: Confusion

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ModanoisCool</b></div><div>Russo made it very very clear that wild aren't trading for Taylor hall

Only nick foligno Rumors are true</div></div>

You really are daft aren’t you? I’m confused why the Wild are “interested” in a 33 guy who doesn’t move the needle one way or the other and not a fast play maker to play with Fiala for roughly the same price. It makes zero sense to have interest in Foligno regardless any interest in Hall.

Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 23 heures

Sujet: Confusion

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RoyalBlueSabres</b></div><div>Doesn't sound like the value is going to go as low as a single 2nd with 4mil retention.
The prices I have heard are a 1st or a 2nd, prospect, and third asset.

Gotta imagine with palmeri off the market hall is really the only winger left.</div></div>

If I had to guess, Hall gets a 2nd and a B prospect like Toffoli did. I was using the “rumors” that GMs have said they don’t see Hall getting a 3rd. Then again, these are the same GMs that think Coots in PHI isn’t a top line C.

Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 12:47 am

Sujet: On HNIC they said CBJ believes they can get a first for foligno

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NickC1988</b></div><div>They certainly can. Can you think of a time MIN had two elite offensive talents that use speed and skill on the rush? Gaborik is the only one coming to mind for me. Fiala Boldy and two 1sts should be pretty close.</div></div>

Let’s put it this way. Eichel and Kaprizov eat 20 mil. Zuccarello/Parise/Suter eat 20 mil, Brodin/Spurgeon/Ek/Talbot eat another 20. That means we need to fill 2 top 6 wings and a top 4 D along with signing 9 other players on the remaining 20 mil. And that assumes you trade Dumba. That’s Canucks level mismanagement.

Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 12:28 am

Sujet: On HNIC they said CBJ believes they can get a first for foligno

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NickC1988</b></div><div>They should be looking to push for Eichel in the offseason, not trade for another grinder. Kaprizov is a superstar in the making but needs some help. They've never had a true 1C since their existence. I don't see it, but obviously there's gotta be something to it if it was mentioned on HNIC.</div></div>

Minnesota can’t field a competitive team with Eichel under the cap. And as for the HNIC but, that was taken directly from Marek spit balling during 31 thoughts.

Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 12:26 am

Sujet: On HNIC they said CBJ believes they can get a first for foligno

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bdawwwgy1</b></div><div>Have a stacked prospect pool, 2 firsts, his brother plays there so they could likely extend him, probably needs a more leadership type of player.</div></div>

All of those things just say they have assets, not that they should use them. And the idea that they’d extend Nick Foligno is frankly absurd. It’s more connecting dots that have nothing connecting them.

I will say Marek understands the bank accounts but not long term investment strategies when talking TDL.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:30 pm

Sujet: Get it done Pierre

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>we could do Zub for Patrick but not sure Ottawa wants to do that and take that risk</div></div>

I don’t think either side wants to take that risk. Zub has potential for sure but PHI believes in Patrick from what I’ve heard. He’s played a season without migraine issues now so it’s all about getting back to normal, which I would put money on.

Every team should be asking what PHI wants for Patrick though.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:20 pm

Sujet: Get it done Pierre

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>If they trade Tierney and move White to wing, there’s a spot open. Norris, Patrick and Pinto as the top 3Cs.</div></div>

(Adding the Brown comment here)
I agree the skating is an issue but with the right line mates you can mute that. Not being able to use that talent is a bit of a waste, Strome isn’t the greatest skater either but he’s got similar offensive talents and is a 50 pt guy.

I didn’t know White played wing but that makes sense. It would undoubtedly be a good move in that case. But again, I think the rub is that PHI wants help now rather than futures. I’m a believer in what they’ve got, they’ve just had horrid luck this year.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:02 pm

Sujet: Get it done Pierre

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Not much pressure playing in Ottawa. Also a lot of young kids his age, could be exactly what he needs.</div></div>

I don’t disagree but I give you Logan Brown as a counter point. And I’ve got to think the expectations rise considerably next year.

And I also see Pinto in that 3C role next year TBH.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 10:47 pm

Sujet: Get it done Pierre

I’ve gotta think he’s available for a top 4 D rather than some picks (even if that 2021 2nd is almost a 1st). I think Patrick is a 3C but could become a 2C at his peak, but I’m not sure the Sens are the team that gets him there.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 4:18 pm

Sujet: Cheap shot in the arm

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>zreich4</b></div><div>Yeah more than likely. At this time it doesnt seem like GMBG wants to make any big moves right now. But with Patrick being shopped I was thinking they could take a D man thats close to the NHL like Belpedio or Mennel (would like to keep Addison for a Dumba replacement but he could be potentially moved too) but are also expansion draft exempt so they could keep their D. I wouldnt be opposed to move Dumba but I feel like that would more than likely happen after the season. Which Patrick might already be moved.</div></div>

Everything I’ve heard about Patrick is PHI is willing to be patient with him. He probably doesn’t have the game changer potential he did when he was drafted but I think they would rather have him pan out as a 2C which seems reasonable. You are going to have to give them a Dumba to get him as part of the package. Menell and Belpedio don’t move the needle.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 3:57 pm

Sujet: Patrick at TDL

I think with that retention Monahan becomes very attractive to a lot of teams. That return is also very reasonable for that as well.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 3:47 pm

Sujet: Cheap shot in the arm

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>zreich4</b></div><div>A lot of reports say that the Flyers are "heavily shopping" Patrick at the deadline. What they are looking for? I don't know. If the asking price isn't too high I think it would be a good gamble.</div></div>

Oh, it would be a good gamble. A 2nd and 3rd is nothing for a guy that could be a top 6 C at best and a 3rd liner at worst. Which is why I think their shopping him for a top 4 D man.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 1:37 pm

Sujet: Cheap shot in the arm

Highly unlikely PHI wants to move Patrick, especially for that return.

As for Gusev, you can sign him for league minimum right now!

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 1:11 pm

Sujet: next yearCGY trade

That is exceptionally good value for Monahan.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 10:41 am

Sujet: Greenway

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MarcDenis41</b></div><div>Struble ?</div></div>

Could be. Norlinder looks good right now too. If I had to guess Guhle is probably the only guy they really want to hold on too.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 9:35 am

Sujet: Greenway

I’ve been thinking about MTL as a landing spot, as a 3rd team to make something work. I think MIN needs a C and CHI has Strome reportedly available for a 1st but MIN is also in need of D prospects. How about:

To MTL - Greenway
To CHI - MTL 1st
To MIN - Strome, one of MTL LHD prospects

As it sits Drouin wouldn’t work for cap reasons this year and probably don’t want his term. I think Drouin is valuable and this is a very good value for Greenway but it doesn’t work.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 1:35 am

Sujet: is philly shopping nolan patrick - nick kypreos says so

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>I know he's a relatively recent 2nd overall pick, but is he even worth it at this point? His upside is pretty questionable, and I'm honestly unsure if he would even play above the 4th line in Ottawa.

Don't get me wrong it's the exact kind of reclamation Ottawa would benefit from pursuing, but I don't think I'd even give a 2nd for him. I'd do something like Logan Brown and a 3rd or 4th, but I'm not going much beyond that.</div></div>

This is the Logan Brown erasure I will not stand for. Nolan Patrick will get sent to Bellevue to “prove himself” just like Brown did. Is Patrick a game changing C? Probably not. But the issue here is not the players, it’s the Senators terrible asset management.

Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 9:07 pm

Sujet: Heres your center

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>Need to give NSH a reason to make the trade. They are in the Playoff mix themselves after all.</div></div>

Johansson has more points than Haula? I realize it’s not a lot but NSH doesn’t really have a reason to keep the team intact.

Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 8:35 pm

Sujet: Heres your center

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>It depends on the price. I wouldn't give more than a 3rd + cap dump for Haula.</div></div>

There was a reason I said 5th. I probably wouldn’t go higher than a 4th.

Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 8:34 pm

Sujet: Playoffs

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>Not much reason for MN to make the trade. I'm not attached to Hunt or anything, but he is depth for MNs own Playoff chances.</div></div>

Addison/Mermis or Hunt? I get playoff depth is important but I don’t think Hunt is a difference maker one way or the other.

Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 8:33 pm

Sujet: Playoffs

MIN says probably?

Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 8:15 pm

Sujet: Heres your center

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>I do wonder if he's toned that down some now as he's gotten older and been though NHL several teams?</div></div>

I’m pretty sure he wanted to play higher up in the line up in CAR before they traded him but Brindamour benched him. He’d be put in the role he wants here so I really don’t see an issue.

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