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Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 2:46 pm
Sujet: Other side of a question I asked Sens fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OutCold13</b></div><div>Well I tend to think Menell is a bit of a underpayment in this case. He use to be considered a bottom pairing guy or even depth but he has improved his stock and could be a 4th defenseman now. The Russo tweet about him being likely gone for good has been walked back some in subsequent podcasts. Bill Guerin even talked about him in the most recent "Straight from the Source", says when he is ready to come back to the US they will talk. Obviously the Wild were not to happy about his decision to go to Russia, but it looks like it was a good decision as the AHL still hasn't started and he has played a lot of meaningful minutes in Russia.</div></div>

I’m glad you I’ve got another taker of him as a 4th defenseman. I really think BG should be looking into Brown though, he would get unfettered top 6 time here and it fits exactly what we need to do. If Menell is part of that package, I think that’s a good move.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 2:43 pm
Sujet: Other side of a question I asked Sens fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ryminister_27</b></div><div>I wouldn't trust Brown to necessarily "run the PP" at the NHL level. Playing AHL and doing it is completely different than doing it in the NHL. He'll be more like a JVR at the NHL level, a net front presence that can top pucks. That being said, Mennell is a decent starting value. A good puck moving d-man with average defensive ability. Anyone undervaluing him just because he went undrafted doesn't know what they're talking about. A lot of good players go ubdrafted, doesn't change that they're good. The issue for Ottawa becomes that they don't need any d-man. They're loaded with prospects. Chabot, Bernard-Docker, Sanderson, Brannstrom, and Thompson are already there that have high ceilings, so it just doesn't fit Ottawa getting one. They need a top 6 centre prospect the most, Brown is likely that. So they just don't have a reason to move him for this. They'd likely only move him for a hugger ceiling centre prospect, something that Minnesota wouldn't do. Just doesn't add up right</div></div>

This is good perspective. I get the feeling something is off between OTT and Brown, especially if he spends most of this year in the AHL. As for the Sens prospects, I know they’re there but I have no idea of potential or timelines so that makes this a starting point. Finally, you haven’t watched any of the Wild PP this year have you? Brown could jump in right now and make it improve, it’s horrendous.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 2:23 pm
Sujet: Other side of a question I asked Sens fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>Or the owner is cheap and putting him into the lineup now means a bigger contract next year whereas leaving him in the AHL as his ELC expires means they sign him cheap next year. After Colin White i’m sure they are in no hurry. Speaking of White, they don’t seem to have a place for him in the lineup making 4M and playing same position so why rush Brown?

You can believe what you want. But 23 year old North Americans don’t go overseas unless they are out of options or realize they are not NHL material and would like a paycheck and a career.</div></div>

Are you trying to say that not playing him was a cap move to stiff him when he gets a new contract? If that’s the case, I would want to leave too.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 2:21 pm
Sujet: Other side of a question I asked Sens fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>So why should we give up anything for him if he’s never gonna play for you? We could just wait until he’s a free agent and then sign him for nothing if we really wanted another 7th D (we have like 5 of those already for the record). You’re not getting a high end C prospect for a garbage D prospect that you don’t even really own.</div></div>

He could still play for us though, it’s just unlikely. He’s a smooth skater and can run a PP. He went to the K to get playing time not because he’s not good enough but because he’s behind Dumba and Spurgeon. He’s a fringe #4 defenseman on an average team, meaning he’ll play as a 3rd pair. Calling him a 7th D isn’t really accurate.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 2:12 pm
Sujet: Other side of a question I asked Sens fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>I am not. You are.

Both deals involve undersized marginal NHL d prospect that are already entering mid 20s and will never be more than roster fillers if they make it at all for high end C prospects. It’s lopsided, significantly.

The fact that you think his ceiling is 5-7 should tell you that.

The fact he went overseas should tell you you are off on his ceiling.

Leave Ottawa out. We will send you Achan for Boldy. He’s almost identical to Mennell. Want to? Fair?</div></div>

The rationale here is that if Brown is as high end as expected, why is he not playing in the NHL in the last year of his ELC? There is either a breakdown in trust in OTT or he’s not as good as advertised, either way it’s not good for him. I believe in Menell enough to replace Dumba if we traded him but I think he’s staying put so I’m willing to bet on Browns upside with a more known quantity. You don’t have to agree with the value.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 2:07 pm
Sujet: Other side of a question I asked Sens fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensibleguy</b></div><div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mnwild?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">#mnwild</a> defenseman Brennan Menell is heading to the KHL on a one-year deal in Minsk. He was a restricted free agent with Minnesota</p>— Michael Russo (@RussoHockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/RussoHockey/status/1298654426119442433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">August 26, 2020</a></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yeah, but he’s likely gone for good</p>— Michael Russo (@RussoHockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/RussoHockey/status/1298656997265596416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">August 26, 2020</a></blockquote>
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His play in the KHL is making him look real good. Russo’s tweets are in reference to him playing for MIN, not NA.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 2:04 pm
Sujet: Whats the deal with Brown
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Borocop</b></div><div>I think it would all depend on what the front office thinks of him. i would expect that he wont get traded out without getting more chances in the NHL first so i think hes either on the team in the future or he'll be gone in a year or 2 for like a 4th round pick. I dont think now would be really a great time to move him</div></div>

Right, I have to assume they don’t want to give him up but something is going on for him not being on the Sens roster at this point. He’s got real talent and doesn’t seem like he should be in a Honka type situation of having that high ceiling but never really playing. I bring up the idea cause of Freidman’s 31 thoughts that say he could be available and it’s not clear to me why they’d do that. Was Stepan the place holder for him this year?
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 1:37 pm
Sujet: Whats the deal with Brown
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Borocop</b></div><div>he can never make the team out of camp, injury issues, work eithic issues mostly. He still probably still has the most upside out of any of our centre prospects (unless you count stutzle) so idk if the teams necessarily looking to move him but it definitely looks like hes running out of time imo. hes probably got more value to the sens at this point with what they invested in him but i want to see him in the NHL before i would move him personally. If Lias Andersson can get a second-round pick id say brows probably close to that value, maybe a bit more because he's definitely had more success in north America but something around that</div></div>

That’s kind of what I’ve heard as well, I think it’s worth the Wild looking into him because of that upside and I don’t think the cost is unreasonable.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 10:38 am
Sujet: Center options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>Glass has 22 AHL Playoff games. I'm not sure how you get 40 points for him last year. He had 12p in 39 games is a 3rd line sheltered role, half his points were from the PP.
That same 2017 draft class centers:
-Andersson (7oa) dumped for a 2nd pick.
-Mitts (8oa) rushed into the NHL, might be a bust at this point.
-Rasmussen (9oa) played a NHL season playing bottom-6 wing, to get him out of the CHL, then spent the next year in the AHL
-Vilardi (10oa) played half a season in the AHL then got a NHL cup of coffee to end the year in his 20ya season.
-Necas (11oa) Czech league, a year in the AHL, his 1st NHL was as a 21 yo, as a wing.

There just aren't many players that make a successful jump from the CHL/college to the NHL as a 19/20 yo top-6 center right out of the gate. Most play quality players get at least half a season in the AHL, then get their feet wet in the NHL in a sheltered role (O-zone 3/4C or playing as a wing). The NHL game is so much faster, more complex, the skill level of every player on the ice is so much higher, and players are bigger and stronger.

This is why I really don't like the NHL/CHL transfer clause for top players. Someone like Rossi (Dumba before him) has shown he's too good for the CHL, but might not be ready for meaningful NHL minutes. A year in the AHL top-6 would be the best thing for his development. Then he should be ready to take the step NHL roster as a 20 yo.</div></div>

That’s exactly my point, he will step into the league when he’s 20 but that doesn’t mean he’s going to produce at a top 6 rate at that point and that’s OK. I also agree that drafted 19 year olds should be allowed to play in the AHL if they were a CHL product but cest la vie.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 5:55 pm
Sujet: Center options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JayTea</b></div><div>This is the biggest reason I don't want Rossi to be in the NHL right now. Give him a few games so he can get an understanding of what he needs to be able to do and then send him to Iowa to develop. He could be a stud or he could be a bust, but being patient and letting him gain some confidence playing in the AHL is probably the better way to help him become the player they drafted him to be.</div></div>

I think Rossi should be an NHLer next season, it would have been foolish to burn a year of his deal this year. He’s got all of the indications that he’s mature enough to grow through any struggles he has. Play him with Fiala or KK right away and let him sink or swim, a 35-40 pt season would be a great success for him next year. I’m not expecting him to be an all star but he’s ready to go so long as we commit to him. I would point to Cody Glass in Vegas as an analogous player, both are two way play makers with solid, but not excellent, skating.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 3:35 pm
Sujet: Center options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JayTea</b></div><div>I wonder how interested Fletcher would be in Dumba. He drafted him and he's largely turned out to be the player we all thought he'd be when he was drafted. The biggest challenge would be cap, since Philly doesn't have a ton of space or an obvious expiring contract they could send the other way to make the cap work like the Pens did with Galch. Ghost would just cause cap problems down the road I think, so they'd need to figure out another way to make the money work or maybe just circle back this summer.</div></div>

I think the fit is there but I think the timing is gone. Frost plus for Dumba would have been great but Fletch couldn’t take that risk with Nolan’s situation. I also think Dumba is gonna be here at least another year or 2, contrary to my certainty this fall, he looks good and he seems to be a good leader with the younger guys.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 3:32 pm
Sujet: Center options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>He's an upgrade to Rask for just a little more money, a RHS, soon to be 24 yo, and can play with talented wings. If you have to stick him on a line with a solid 2-way wing+Kaprizov/Fiala.

Right now MN has JEE as a center going into next year.
-Rask is Rask. He could be a buyout this offseason.
-Strum has looked good in a small sample as a 4th line wing. He could also be SEA fodder.
-No clue how good/bad Rossi will be.
-Khovanov isn't anything close to a guarantee next year if at all.
-Off the top of my head; Danualt, Staal, Stepan, and Gezlaf are the notable possible UFAs centers for the offseason. No clue if any of them would even sign in MN and the pay they'll want.

I'd make a gamble on White before I would RyJo (and his huge contract). Heck Dvorak doesn't even have 1 40p season and I'm looking at him too.

Trading a prime piece (Boldy, Rossi, 1st's) for a rental, or a rental+1 is a mistake right now for me. MN will be able to run 3 quality lines about evenly so the 1C-2C-3C doesn't mean much to me. The might have different roles, but they'll get close to the same ToI 5v5 and have quality scoring output on all the lines. They just need the centers to be able to do that. JEE is one, now find 2 more somewhere. I think White could be one of those other 2.</div></div>

If this were a matter of trading Rask + for White on similar terms then yes it makes sense, but you add in the extra 2 years of that cap hit for a guy that can’t drive a line and our cap situation looks worse than it does now.

And I get you don’t put stock into prospects but it’s an absolute fools errand to say we don’t know if Rossi will be good or bad. We have to work under the assumption that he can play top 6 next year, if he isn’t then getting 1 top 6 center doesn’t really move the needle. As for Khovanov, he’ll probably get a look at the end of 21-22 or in 22-23. Timelines are more important than calling hits or misses before they’re calle cup. Prospects matter because it’s how you build perennially even if they aren’t set in stone. Sure things cost more than we can spend, uncertainty and educated risk taking are how you build a roster.