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Ekholm price check

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Équipe: 2020-21 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 22 févr. 2021
Publié: 22 févr. 2021
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Not saying this is fair value. I am just curious what people think Ekholm is worth.

Jones is an NHL ready young cheap D-man with top 4 upside.

Samorukov is a B+ to A- prospect

McLeod is a B to B+ prospect that is close to NHL ready

The first will likely be between 18-26th range

What does everyone think?
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22 févr. 2021 à 17 h 44
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Its good
22 févr. 2021 à 17 h 49
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Nashville would much prefer to get an expansion exempt dman but they probably take this
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22 févr. 2021 à 17 h 50
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Thats pricey af. Look at the Muzzin trade as a comparison.

1st, and 2 B-rated Prospects
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22 févr. 2021 à 17 h 52
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I feel like his value will be slightly more than Muzzin's was. So this is probably too much. Jones, Mcleod and a 1st is probably okay
22 févr. 2021 à 17 h 54
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Take out Jones, and it's fair for both sides.
22 févr. 2021 à 17 h 54
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Quoting: MOshow1967
Thats pricey af. Look at the Muzzin trade as a comparison.

1st, and 2 B-rated Prospects


I think thats similar to this. Samorukov and McLeod are realistically probably B prospects. The homer in me has Samorukov at an A- but thats probably a stretch. I also think Ekholm is a little better than Muzzin and his contact is a hair cheaper. With Nashville being one of the few teams willing to move good players there might be a bidding war, thus adding Jones.
22 févr. 2021 à 17 h 55
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Quoting: mk458
I feel like his value will be slightly more than Muzzin's was. So this is probably too much. Jones, Mcleod and a 1st is probably okay


I would think they see more value in Samorukov considering Jones could be lost to Seattle.
22 févr. 2021 à 18 h 0
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I feel like his value will be slightly more than Muzzin's was. So this is probably too much. Jones, Mcleod and a 1st is probably okay


Muzzin was playing better than Ekholm is this year and his previous year was better than Ekholm was last year too. I'm not seeing where Ekholm has more value - if anything, he should have LESS value.
22 févr. 2021 à 18 h 2
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That’s just too much for a rental.
22 févr. 2021 à 18 h 20
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Yikes. That is a heavy price. Don't think I'd want to empty the prospect drawers like that for a dman with 1 year left on his deal.

Any move for a LHD is contingent on Klefboms situation. If he comes back next season, Nurse and Klef would be out top 2 LHD, so trading for Ekholm is redundant.
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22 févr. 2021 à 18 h 25
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Quoting: Bringer_Of_Snow
Yikes. That is a heavy price. Don't think I'd want to empty the prospect drawers like that for a dman with 1 year left on his deal.

Any move for a LHD is contingent on Klefboms situation. If he comes back next season, Nurse and Klef would be out top 2 LHD, so trading for Ekholm is redundant.


I don't see Klef being back for next year. Hasn't had surgery yet, and will need to rehab it and make sure his quality of life is good before he's back playing hockey. I could see him maybe being back for 2022 Playoffs but start of 22/23 is most likely. The Oilers should plan on not having Klefbom next year.
22 févr. 2021 à 18 h 30
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I would think Sam and a 1st is more than enough. Maybe you could add a Tullio or Blumel. I think EDM likes McLeod a lot and believe he's the future 3C long term. And if they trade Jones here, Seattle probably takes Lagesson in expansion and all of the sudden Edmonton has lost a ton of its Blueline depth.
22 févr. 2021 à 18 h 37
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That’s just too much for a rental.


He isnt a rental
22 févr. 2021 à 18 h 38
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Another thing to consider in paying such a heavy price for a rental this year is how much can change between now and actually inserting into line up. Condensed season plus quarantine...
22 févr. 2021 à 18 h 41
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Quoting: Timmah007
Another thing to consider in paying such a heavy price for a rental this year is how much can change between now and actually inserting into line up. Condensed season plus quarantine...


He. Is. Not. A. Rental.
22 févr. 2021 à 23 h 10
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He. Is. Not. A. Rental.


1.5 seasons isn't great either thoughbut would definitely help the Oilers significantly
22 févr. 2021 à 23 h 11
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Muzzin was playing better than Ekholm is this year and his previous year was better than Ekholm was last year too. I'm not seeing where Ekholm has more value - if anything, he should have LESS value.


Well, this year Muzzin is playing in a much better team but the 4 seasons prior Ekholm was better
23 févr. 2021 à 9 h 0
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Well, this year Muzzin is playing in a much better team but the 4 seasons prior Ekholm was better

First, that's simply not true and second, I'm not comparing same seasons, I'm comparing Muzzin in LA to Ekholm in Nashville.

Muzzin's 18-19 season >> Ekholm's 20-21 season (18-19 was the season Muzzin got traded)
Muzzin's 17-18 season >> Ekholm's 19-20 season (the season prior to being traded)

Muzzin was the superior player leading up to the trade dates, and it's not particularly close. I'm not sure how anyone could look at the facts and concluded that Ekholm is worth more in a trade.

Muzzin: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20172018&thruseason=20182019&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=L.A&pos=D&loc=B&toi=1000&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

Ekholm: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=NSH&pos=D&loc=B&toi=1000&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL
23 févr. 2021 à 11 h 30
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First, that's simply not true and second, I'm not comparing same seasons, I'm comparing Muzzin in LA to Ekholm in Nashville.

Muzzin's 18-19 season >> Ekholm's 20-21 season (18-19 was the season Muzzin got traded)
Muzzin's 17-18 season >> Ekholm's 19-20 season (the season prior to being traded)

Muzzin was the superior player leading up to the trade dates, and it's not particularly close. I'm not sure how anyone could look at the facts and concluded that Ekholm is worth more in a trade.

Muzzin: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20172018&thruseason=20182019&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=L.A&pos=D&loc=B&toi=1000&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

Ekholm: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=NSH&pos=D&loc=B&toi=1000&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL


First of all. It's simply is true. Second of all Muzzin is not the 'superior' player. Advanced stats are not that far apart, however the scoresheet strata are, in Ekholms favour
23 févr. 2021 à 12 h 10
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First of all. It's simply is true. Second of all Muzzin is not the 'superior' player. Advanced stats are not that far apart, however the scoresheet strata are, in Ekholms favour


LOL, I posted the links and you completely ignored them. If you wish to remain ignorant, that's on you.

Comparing Ekholm's last 1.5 seasons with Muzzin's last 1.5 years in LA:

all situations points
JM: 124, 12-51-63 (0.51 P/GP) *
ME: 80, 8-28-36 (0.45 P/GP)

5v5 points
JM: 124, 8-31-39 (1.12 P/60) *
ME: 80, 7-18-25 (1.06 P/60)

5v5 CF% Rel
JM: +4.40 *
ME: -0.75

5v5 SF% Rel
JM: +4.49 *
ME: -0.70

5v5 GF% Rel
JM: +8.92 *
ME: -7.38

5v5 xGF% Rel
JM: +5.45 *
ME: -0.73

5v5 SCF% Rel
JM: +4.46 *
ME: -3.05

5v5 HDCF% Rel
JM: +2.14 *
ME: -1.20

Muzzin outscored Ekholm at 5v5 and overall, all while posting FAR BETTER on-ice results. Both players had very similar usage in terms of zone starts, QoC and TOI. This isn't close: Muzzin, at the time of the trade, was a far better player than Ekholm is today.
23 févr. 2021 à 13 h 8
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LOL, I posted the links and you completely ignored them. If you wish to remain ignorant, that's on you.

Comparing Ekholm's last 1.5 seasons with Muzzin's last 1.5 years in LA:

all situations points
JM: 124, 12-51-63 (0.51 P/GP) *
ME: 80, 8-28-36 (0.45 P/GP)

5v5 points
JM: 124, 8-31-39 (1.12 P/60) *
ME: 80, 7-18-25 (1.06 P/60)

5v5 CF% Rel
JM: +4.40 *
ME: -0.75

5v5 SF% Rel
JM: +4.49 *
ME: -0.70

5v5 GF% Rel
JM: +8.92 *
ME: -7.38

5v5 xGF% Rel
JM: +5.45 *
ME: -0.73

5v5 SCF% Rel
JM: +4.46 *
ME: -3.05

5v5 HDCF% Rel
JM: +2.14 *
ME: -1.20

Muzzin outscored Ekholm at 5v5 and overall, all while posting FAR BETTER on-ice results. Both players had very similar usage in terms of zone starts, QoC and TOI. This isn't close: Muzzin, at the time of the trade, was a far better player than Ekholm is today.


Ekholms is better, Muzzin sucks
23 févr. 2021 à 13 h 46
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Ekholms is better, Muzzin sucks


Embarrassing.
 
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