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Another McDavid Trade yay

Créé par: ConnorMcJesus
Équipe: 2020-21 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 7 janv. 2021
Publié: 7 janv. 2021
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7 janv. 2021 à 11 h 57
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No


You’re right. He forgot to add McAvoy into the trade
7 janv. 2021 à 11 h 59
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You’re right. He forgot to add McAvoy into the trade


No, you don't trade 5-6 valuable assets for one player and you don't trade Connor McDavid.
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7 janv. 2021 à 12 h 1
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Honestly, Boston declines. This makes Edmonton a better team without the picks.
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7 janv. 2021 à 12 h 4
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Quoting: csick
You’re right. He forgot to add McAvoy into the trade


i guess mcavoy will do
id rather do carlo but hes untouchable
7 janv. 2021 à 12 h 7
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Bruins fans are insane to turn this down. Resounding yes. Take it and run.
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7 janv. 2021 à 12 h 7
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Quoting: ConnorMcJesus
i guess mcavoy will do
id rather do carlo but hes untouchable

Lol no you would not rather Carlo.
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Lol no you would not rather Carlo.


Carlo is one of my fav Dmen. You just gotta stick him next to an offensive LHD and he will hold it down. Hed look good next to any of Quinn Hughes, Chabot, Rielly, Heiskanen, OEL, etc
7 janv. 2021 à 12 h 16
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Carlo is one of my fav Dmen. You just gotta stick him next to an offensive LHD and he will hold it down. Hed look good next to any of Quinn Hughes, Chabot, Rielly, Heiskanen, OEL, etc


He’s my favorite player. I was a huge fan since before he was drafted. Mcavoy is just so far above him in value though. If Carlo looks at McAvoy wrong, Sweeney should trade him just for annoying chuck.
7 janv. 2021 à 12 h 25
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You’re right. He forgot to add McAvoy into the trade


Lol
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7 janv. 2021 à 13 h 4
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I like how the Bruins are one of the better teams in the league & edmonton is not, but their guys always seem to have more value?

hmm...
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I like how the Bruins are one of the better teams in the league & edmonton is not, but their guys always seem to have more value?

hmm...


ummmm
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huh?

So you're saying Pasta and Marchand are both worth more than McDavid?
7 janv. 2021 à 13 h 17
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Honestly, Boston declines. This makes Edmonton a better team without the picks.


Does it though, probably get more goals out of the top 6 with McDavid on the team. Plus the picks compensate for the value lost losing McDavid during his prime years. This trade doesn't age well unless the picks land value players.
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I like how the Bruins are one of the better teams in the league & edmonton is not, but their guys always seem to have more value?

hmm...


Do you actually watch hockey? Or..
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Do you actually watch hockey? Or..


I dont think he does
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7 janv. 2021 à 13 h 32
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Quoting: ConnorMcJesus
ummmm
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huh?

So you're saying Pasta and Marchand are both worth more than McDavid?


They are closer than you are giving them credit for. Not both and not with the picks, because what happens is the Bruins become a fringe playoff team like the Oilers and Oilers become one of the better teams in the league.

Contracts matter. So, it really is a heck of a lot closer than you think. The two of them combined are the same cap hit.

McDavid is special no doubt. Best player in the league. He isn't a particularly good center. He is fine, but he isn't in the same conversation when it comes to his FO and defensive game as say Coutrourier, Barkov, Bergeron or Kopitar. Those things also matter. He isn't Bad, he just isn't special in that area.

You would be getting:
76g 106a
vs
34g 63a (or about half)

Plus you want three picks from a team that is going to go from a pick likely to be 25th or worse to a pick around 15? for three years in a row?
7 janv. 2021 à 13 h 37
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Does it though, probably get more goals out of the top 6 with McDavid on the team. Plus the picks compensate for the value lost losing McDavid during his prime years. This trade doesn't age well unless the picks land value players.


so why isn't Edmonton getting more out of their top 6? Explain why There is a 30pt gap between 2 & 3 and then a 30pt gap between 3-4

Debrusk would score more. But now he's your 1LW and not your 2LW. Bruins 2LW is now Ritchie or Bjork and #1 RW is now Kase.

No.

this destroy the Bruins. They are not a playoff team and have no hopes or picks to get them there. They also don't have any money because one guy who puts up 110pts is now taking up 17% of the Cap instead of two guys who will put up 100pts each taking up 8% each.

And they still have their picks.
7 janv. 2021 à 13 h 44
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so why isn't Edmonton getting more out of their top 6? Explain why There is a 30pt gap between 2 & 3 and then a 30pt gap between 3-4

...


You know how hard it is having 2 110p scorers on your team and your expecting them to have enough money to have another 90p scorer?
7 janv. 2021 à 13 h 46
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I dont think he does


Connor McDavid has been in the league for 5 years. He has played in 17 playoff games over two seasons. He makes the playoffs 40% of the time.

Other than Vegas the Oilers have the least amount of wins since 2010 (no not there the whole time, but half of it) it also means you have picked high. A lot. Which means there should be some talent. Ae you heading in the right direction... Maybe. You are already going to be without (when playing well) you best Dman and you have Mike Smith as someone who will play regularly due to schedule.
7 janv. 2021 à 13 h 47
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You know how hard it is having 2 110p scorers on your team and your expecting them to have enough money to have another 90p scorer?



DING DING DING!!! you finally get it.

Like the Bruins have and you are trying to trade for & say they don't have a lot of value?

Pastrnak & Marchand - 76g 106a
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McDavid: 34g 63a (or about half)
7 janv. 2021 à 13 h 58
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DING DING DING!!! you finally get it.

Like the Bruins have and you are trying to trade for & say they don't have a lot of value?

Pastrnak & Marchand - 76g 106a
vs
McDavid: 34g 63a (or about half)


In a good year
Rat+Pasta=85g-110a

McDavid=45g-85a
so more than half
I do see where you're coming from though
7 janv. 2021 à 14 h 0
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Does it though, probably get more goals out of the top 6 with McDavid on the team. Plus the picks compensate for the value lost losing McDavid during his prime years. This trade doesn't age well unless the picks land value players.


McDavid is not more valuable than Pasternak and Marchand combined. They are both on absolute steals of contracts too. Marchand and pasta are 2/3rds of the best line in hockey.

If McDavid is worth 10 wins, pasta and Marchand are worth like 7 each.
7 janv. 2021 à 14 h 5
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Quoting: ConnorMcJesus
ummmm
ummm
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huh?

So you're saying Pasta and Marchand are both worth more than McDavid?


If it were me....

Pasta/Marchand = $12.8 million (198pt per 82 over the last 3 years)
McDavid = $12.5 million (117pt per 82 over the last 3 years)

While McDavid is the best player in the world, you're using essentially the same cap space for less production
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Quoting: Propeller09
DING DING DING!!! you finally get it.

Like the Bruins have and you are trying to trade for & say they don't have a lot of value?

Pastrnak & Marchand - 76g 106a
vs
McDavid: 34g 63a (or about half)


I'm not going to try and argue every point you have tried to make. But they say the team getting the best player wins the trade. Also, those combined points, how many of those goals did both players receive a point? McDavids points alone probably add up to every goal individually, I hope that makes sense? Also I don't care who you are and what you say Marchand is is pretty close to getting over that hill, how many years of elite play does he have left? Pasta obviously more, but not nearly as much as McDavid through his prime. The Bruins get the younger generational talent for more years then the production of the guys they get back. Those picks compensate for that. Both teams get worse but Boston will outright win that trade after a season or two. You don't trade generational players.
7 janv. 2021 à 14 h 6
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If it were me....

Pasta/Marchand = $12.8 million (198pt per 82 over the last 3 years)
McDavid = $12.5 million (117pt per 82 over the last 3 years)

While McDavid is the best player in the world, you're using essentially the same cap space for less production


How many of those points do they share per one goal?
 
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