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for mitch marner elite how much would a fair marner deal actually help TO

Créé par: mhockey91
Date de création initiale: déc 20, 2020
Publié: 20 déc 2020 à 17 h 27
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitch59 250 000 $
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $81 318 408 $0 $0 $181 592 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
1 645 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Marner, Mitch
9 250 000 $
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
821 667 $
AG
RFA - 3
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Thornton, Joe
700 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
874 125 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
1 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1

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20 déc 2020 à 17 h 31
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It is probably around 9500000, a little more than Rantanen
20 déc 2020 à 17 h 32
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This is what happens when the kids ego stepped in. Toronto needs to get away from that brat ASAP
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20 déc 2020 à 17 h 37
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The was thinking if this last night, based on how many years I'd go something like:3/24, 4/30(goes right to ufa so worst aav deal), 5/42.5, 6/54, 7/70, 8/88.
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20 déc 2020 à 17 h 38
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
It is probably around 9500000, a little more than Rantanen


They are very close. I’m just basing this post off his contract
20 déc 2020 à 17 h 40
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This is what happens when the kids ego stepped in. Toronto needs to get away from that brat ASAP


The way dubas handled the nylander negotiations really set the precedent. Even though nylander’s contract ended up being solid, it was the whole process of him holding out that just showed Dubas was a weak negotiator
20 déc 2020 à 17 h 45
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@mhockey91 Honestly, this team looks solid on paper. Elite offence, the top 4 defence is statistically very good. If Marner bounces back to his 2018/19 form, I think they could be the best possession driving team in the NHL.
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20 déc 2020 à 17 h 52
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if you're asking him, hilariously little and he'll even retain like 2 mill in salary
20 déc 2020 à 17 h 53
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Quoting: mhockey91
The way dubas handled the nylander negotiations really set the precedent. Even though nylander’s contract ended up being solid, it was the whole process of him holding out that just showed Dubas was a weak negotiator


That's how negotiations literally work all the time. Sometimes people hold out and there is nothing you can do. I do enjoy how you leave out the fact that Nylander was the one who caved at the end and Dubas ended up getting the solid contract he wanted
20 déc 2020 à 18 h 03
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I don’t think Marner is extremely over paid. Maybe 500k. He was on pace for another 90+ point season last year. The problem is that they have 3 guys basically making $11M each. Since the other two are centers and they just named one Captain he’s just the logical trade option to improve the D/depth as they could reasonably get multiple quality players for that $10.8M Marner is making.

Disclaimer: this opinion is based on a Panarin comparison which could be flawed as you can say Panarin got his money because Marner got his.
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20 déc 2020 à 18 h 05
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Quoting: Jah1722
I don’t think Marner is extremely over paid. Maybe 500k. He was on pace for another 90+ point season last year. The problem is that they have 3 guys basically making $11M each. Since the other two are centers and they just named one Captain he’s just the logical trade option to improve the D/depth as they could reasonably get multiple quality players for that $10.8M Marner is making.

Disclaimer: this opinion is based on a Panarin comparison which could be flawed as you can say Panarin got his money because Marner got his.


I think marner is overpaid by $1 million at least but yes I agree. They have 3 guys making a combined 33+ million. Especially considering when they all signed no one predicted this flat cap.
20 déc 2020 à 18 h 11
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Quoting: mhockey91
I think marner is overpaid by $1 million at least but yes I agree. They have 3 guys making a combined 33+ million. Especially considering when they all signed no one predicted this flat cap.


Even without the flat cap they would still struggle with the cap. Its tough to win in a salary cap league when 3 players take up that big of a cap %. Without COVID they’d be able to afford another Simmonds priced player which doesn’t do much for depth anyways.
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20 déc 2020 à 18 h 53
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Now this is a team that can compete. Their current team is drastically worse and will likely be in the lottery.
20 déc 2020 à 18 h 54
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Quoting: CeciGOAT
Now this is a team that can compete. Their current team is drastically worse and will likely be in the lottery.


I know this is sarcasm obviously. I’m curious as how to they will get under the cap given their situation. trade Engvall forsure and maybe someone else
20 déc 2020 à 18 h 58
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Quoting: mhockey91
I know this is sarcasm obviously. I’m curious as how to they will get under the cap given their situation. trade Engvall forsure and maybe someone else


I think that all depends on the taxi squad. The incentives of a 23 man roster are reduced when you have a taxi squad available. I don’t think engvall is traded but I don’t think his cap fits on the roster, probably just keep him on the taxi squad/bury him in the AHL.
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20 déc 2020 à 19 h 32
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The way dubas handled the nylander negotiations really set the precedent. Even though nylander’s contract ended up being solid, it was the whole process of him holding out that just showed Dubas was a weak negotiator


Lol, he gets him at a deal and somehow loses. This is capfriendly for you. No matter what, Dubas is terrible.
20 déc 2020 à 19 h 33
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Quoting: LGR
This is what happens when the kids ego stepped in. Toronto needs to get away from that brat ASAP


This guy has wisdom, tell us all about how Vesey is better than Tavares please.
20 déc 2020 à 19 h 33
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It won't help, MitchMarnerElite is a troll bot
20 déc 2020 à 19 h 37
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Lol, he gets him at a deal and somehow loses. This is capfriendly for you. No matter what, Dubas is terrible.


It was the whole situation. You can’t even sit here with a straight face and tell me Dubas handled that properly. If he would’ve sent the message to the team and traded nylander for a haul, Matthew’s and Marner definitely would’ve signed better deals. Or on the flip side, if Nylander wasn’t being so greedy at the time, Matthew’s and marner would’ve been signed to better deals as well.

Nylander/Dubas situation set the precedent that in a staring contest, Dubas will lose. The agents fully took advantage of that and exploited him. There is a reason why marner is overpaid and Matthew’s term is too short
20 déc 2020 à 19 h 47
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
@mhockey91 Honestly, this team looks solid on paper. Elite offence, the top 4 defence is statistically very good. If Marner bounces back to his 2018/19 form, I think they could be the best possession driving team in the NHL.


Can you please explain how this team is any different? It's literally the same team with 2 more healthy scratches, which aren't even that necessary with the taxi squads this year.
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20 déc 2020 à 19 h 50
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Can you please explain how this team is any different? It's literally the same team with 2 more healthy scratches, which aren't even that necessary with the taxi squads this year.


Same team, but better set up for the long term with a cheaper marner deal. Also can someone please explain taxi squad to me because I keep seeing people post teams with that. Does that basically mean a team can carry up to 5 extra guys or whatever that don’t count against the salary cap?
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20 déc 2020 à 19 h 56
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Nice.
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20 déc 2020 à 20 h 16
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Quoting: mhockey91
I think marner is overpaid by $1 million at least but yes I agree. They have 3 guys making a combined 33+ million. Especially considering when they all signed no one predicted this flat cap.


Carolina's Aho and Marner contracts came up at the same time. For the two previous years they had identical stats. Aho signed for 8.45m X 5 years, Marner 10.693 for 6 years. Based on Aho contract if the Marner had signed a comparable contract for six years, 9m would have been appropriate. I'll never understand why the Leafs handed out "hometown premium contracts to their big three, 4.5m too much.
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20 déc 2020 à 20 h 18
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Same team, but better set up for the long term with a cheaper marner deal. Also can someone please explain taxi squad to me because I keep seeing people post teams with that. Does that basically mean a team can carry up to 5 extra guys or whatever that don’t count against the salary cap?


The taxi squad details are not all clear atm. What is known is that it will be 4-6 players and that they will be payed AHL salary. They will travel to the game with the team just like the extras on a roster. There will likely be some restrictions regarding eligibility and cap that aren’t revealed yet.
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20 déc 2020 à 20 h 19
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Quoting: palhal
Carolina's Aho and Marner contracts came up at the same time. For the two previous years they had identical stats. Aho signed for 8.45m X 5 years, Marner 10.693 for 6 years. Based on Aho contract if the Marner had signed a comparable contract for six years, 9m would have been appropriate. I'll never understand why the Leafs handed out "hometown premium contracts to their big three, 4.5m too much.


Like I've been saying, it's the term with that aav that's the biggest problem, you give them max value to but up 4 ufa years not 2
20 déc 2020 à 20 h 19
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Quoting: palhal
Carolina's Aho and Marner contracts came up at the same time. For the two previous years they had identical stats. Aho signed for 8.45m X 5 years, Marner 10.693 for 6 years. Based on Aho contract if the Marner had signed a comparable contract for six years, 9m would have been appropriate. I'll never understand why the Leafs handed out "hometown premium contracts to their big three, 4.5m too much.


Hometown premium is such a good way to put it. I get tavares because he was a UFA, and leafs offered less than isles, but in Marners case, he’s from TO, was drafted by TO, you’d think he’d take a more fair contract to play in Toronto. Usually you see hometown discounts but this was the exact opposite of that
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