From the Tampa and Boston trades, that is asking way too much IMO. Johnson is not that bad at all, and John Moore's contract isn't that big.

I would guess Tampa already has an offer on the table for a pick/prospect, they just don't want to accept it yet. They would have to be really desperate to give up 2 1st round picks and a former 2nd round pick. Might rather trade one of the RFA's.

About what I would ask on TJ too. He's not worth that cap hit for 4 years.
That's asking a lot. A late round 1st just doesn't cover that in my book.

The VAN trade isn't bad either.
the other two though. DET should keep Nemeth. if that's all they are going to get.
NY declines that trade.

If tampa keeps waiting it will start to cost this much to trade johnson because once the season starts they will be running out of options. I agree with your boston statement. Its to much to give up for moore who's contract isn't even that big.

I think this is a simple case of “everyone says no.”

Sure, Tyler Johnson didn't look very good last year and his contract is a large aav for 4 more seasons. On the other hand, he's one year removed from a 29 goal season. I don't see any scenario where TBL has to dump 2 1sts to trade Johnson. They would look at retaining a bit and add some sweeteners, and that should be enough.

And I don't see VAN trading Eriksson at this point. They have the opportunity to buy him out next season as well and it's not that bad with $4m on the cap next year and only $1m the following season before coming off the books completely. Who knows, there may be a Ferland retirement or something, or LTIRetirement which could also get them some cap space. Does Edler return? There is some money around, and I could see those players signing bridge deals anyway.

Moore > Nemeth and it will cost less to get Seattle to take him. Pass,

Including Detroit.

Is Moore better than Nemeth?? Nemeth is +14 for career while Moore is -34. I believe Nemeth can skate better than Moore.

Johnson is trending down. Everyone hit above their weight class on TB in the 2018/19 season. Overall Johnson is only going to regress. I think 2 first round picks is a minimum.

Vancouver has $24 million for next season with 10 spots to fill. Among them are those mentioned above: Pettersson, Hughes and Demko. I can only guess what the first two will sign for and I think it’s a minimum of $8 million each. So that’s $16+ million before you sign Demko. Plus the other 7 spots. Moving Eriksson for 2 picks will very likely be quite necessary.

The Helm trade could be to any team. Helm has lots of playoffs experience. He could hold down a 4C role on a contender.

Not sure Nemeth fetches much more than a second round pick. He’s a pure rental. The other second round pick is to take Moore.

If Point signed for less than $7m for 3 years after a 40+ goal, 90+ point season then I see no reason why VAN couldn't get one or both of Pettersson + Hughes to agree to bridge deals for similar $$ and term.

Maybe. Very strong MAYBE. Highly doubtful. Point signing for $7 million in a tax free state of Florida allows him more money. Vancouver’s provincial taxes are much higher. I think $8 million as a starting point is reasonable. And they might Jack up their asking price with a strong season.

Nemeth is way better and +/- is a flawed stat. But two high picks is too much to give up.

The price might go down when guys like Hoffman, Duclair, Brassard, etc. sign.

Bad metric to judge anyone with as it’s based on how bad the team is. Moore was -55 with CBJ, NJ, Zona. He generates more offense, and hits and blocks are similar. Might not be as physically gifted as others but has a great iq. Many feel he will be a head coach after playing.

Doubt it once those guys sign I could see it go up because then teams would have even less cap space to take on a guy like Johnson.

i don't know, I don't see teams running out to get 4C at the deadline. They are looking for more substantial help and he's 33. I don't see it.

I also realize Nemeth is a rental. But we don't know what else is on the market yet. One thing I know about defense, there is always a need and it's expensive to get.
If he's the top guy on the market he probably gets a 1st. Just looking at the rental list for next year, I'm guessing a lot of those guys are off the market by the fact their team is in the hunt.
Detroit on the other hand can retain 50% and possibly get a late round 1st. We'll see.

He doesn’t produce enough points to fetch a first round pick.

it's not about points. It's about being a solid defenseman for a team needing defense help to win a cup, on the cheap.
Like I said, wait to see what's on the market before assigning value. If TDL comes and the market is empty, and he's the best Dman on the market, you can pull a 1st, especially with retention as teams close to the cap will be looking at his low cap hit and thinking that's perfect. It's not like we are talking top 5 pick, It's bottom 1st round.

Fair enough but I’d attach conditions on the pick. Depending on how far the team goes in the playoffs etc.

I'm sure it could be whatever. That's not really the point. You look at the list of rentals, most those guys who are any good are on teams probably playoff bound.
Means the market could be pretty weak. A team wanting someone who can play 2nd pair, you see a bidding war, and that's that.

What if they need a 2nd line forward?

I guess but if a team needs a second line forward why not just go after Hoffman or duclair. You could probably convince them to go on 1 year deals then cash out when flat cap is done.