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Patty Kane

Créé par: TampaBayFan94
Date de création initiale: oct 26, 2020
Publié: 26 oct 2020 à 16 h 31
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Transactions
MTL
  1. Kane, Patrick (5 000 000 $ retained)
CHI
  1. Tatar, Tomas
  2. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
  3. Caufield, Cole [Liste de réserve]
  4. 2021 2e round pick (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
2nd Turns to 1st if Montreal Makes Cup Final
MTL
  1. 2021 7e round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Weal, Jordan
Rachats de contrats
  • Karl Alzner: 3 958 333 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
MTL
TBL
MTL
CHI
WSH
MTL
STL
VGK
MTL
OTT
PHI
MTL
MTL
PHI
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
STL
2023
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $81 166 309 $0 $1 487 500 $333 691 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
CHI
Kane, Patrick
5 500 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 3
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Anderson, Josh
5 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 7
MTL
Toffoli, Tyler
4 250 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Mete, Victor
735 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
MTL
Allen, Jake
4 350 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Edmundson, Joel
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
894 167 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 2

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26 oct 2020 à 16 h 39
#1
Rejoint: sep 2020
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This is a legit offer
26 oct 2020 à 16 h 54
#2
Rejoint: jun 2017
Messages: 1,074
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Montreal declines
Ryminister_27 et Jexus a aimé ceci.
26 oct 2020 à 16 h 55
#3
Rejoint: avr 2017
Messages: 13,174
Mentions "j'aime": 4,462
Easy no from Chicago. $5M retained? LMAO, that offers gets a signed stick from Patty Kane's last hat trick.
26 oct 2020 à 16 h 56
#4
Rejoint: jun 2020
Messages: 1,450
Mentions "j'aime": 576
Quoting: ChiHawk
Easy no from Chicago. $5M retained? LMAO, that offers gets a signed stick from Patty Kane's last hat trick.


Really? This is a good deal for Chicago.
Breadmanhawks a aimé ceci.
26 oct 2020 à 16 h 56
#5
Banni
Rejoint: mar 2018
Messages: 6,784
Mentions "j'aime": 1,915
Fast no from Montreal. You'd be more likely to get Caufield, but you're not getting Kotkaniemi.
26 oct 2020 à 16 h 58
#6
Rejoint: nov 2018
Messages: 6,505
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Montreal is not giving up both Kotkaniemi and Caufield for Kane. We would rather go through 1-2 more years of team/roster building and have our young potential stars develop to their potential and be competitive for 10-15 years after that, than to bring in an aging star like Kane and be competitive for 3-4 years now then have to endure a 3rd rebuild/retool in 15 years.
26 oct 2020 à 17 h 01
#7
Rejoint: avr 2017
Messages: 13,174
Mentions "j'aime": 4,462
Quoting: Jexus
Really? This is a good deal for Chicago.


No it's not. Tatar is whatever...guy is turning 30 so doesn't fit our rebuild. Not a fan of Kotkaniemi, he's never going to live up to his draft position IMO and will be a 2nd C at best. Don't need another midget on our team in Caufield although I do like him. So basically this is Caufield, Kotkaniemi and a 2nd for Kane at $5M retained....that's crazy and will never happen. If you want Kane, it's going to have to include a 1st rounder, Romanav, and then some and Hawks will never retain more then $3M on Kane at most.
SociallyHawkward a aimé ceci.
26 oct 2020 à 17 h 26
#8
Habs_fan
Rejoint: jui 2020
Messages: 488
Mentions "j'aime": 111
Why would Habs give up all that youth for an aging player on the decline
26 oct 2020 à 17 h 45
#9
Rejoint: sep 2020
Messages: 1,039
Mentions "j'aime": 369
Quoting: ChiHawk
No it's not. Tatar is whatever...guy is turning 30 so doesn't fit our rebuild. Not a fan of Kotkaniemi, he's never going to live up to his draft position IMO and will be a 2nd C at best. Don't need another midget on our team in Caufield although I do like him. So basically this is Caufield, Kotkaniemi and a 2nd for Kane at $5M retained....that's crazy and will never happen. If you want Kane, it's going to have to include a 1st rounder, Romanav, and then some and Hawks will never retain more then $3M on Kane at most.


Quoting: Jexus
Really? This is a good deal for Chicago.


I think the problem with Kane is that no one is willing to give up the assets for a fair trade. Like realistically if Kane is being traded with 50% retention and a cap dump is coming back, he should bring back an absolute haul. 50% retention is a lot for someone of his caliber who is arguably outperforming his contract already.

A lot of people on here don't see the value in Kane and that derives from most of them not actually watching him play and just seeing his age. It doesn't matter what his workout routine is or how dedicated he is or whether his game is mental or physical. Hawks fans see another St Louis career which is completely reasonable considering Kane has gotten much better after the "traditional prime years". It really would be unfair for any team to trade what some are proposing for a 31+ career of St Louis'.

Honestly, I don't mind either way because if we trade him it helps us rebuild so that we can resign him after his contract is over. Also giving me a little playoff excitement haha. And I'm totally ok with no trading him.

At the end of the day, people can bring up age but his numbers don't lie and getting that sort of production at ~5M is absurd.
yikes, Jexus et NYR1983 a aimé ceci.
26 oct 2020 à 17 h 47
#10
Rejoint: sep 2020
Messages: 1,039
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Quoting: p1015983
Why would Habs give up all that youth for an aging player on the decline


I can totally understand Montreal not wanting to give up their youth and building from within.

But, I wouldn't describe Kane as "on the decline". That's really not fair considering his production has only increased with age.

Aging curves are not always linear and Kane's style of play is the prototypical example of someone who can produce effectively at a older age.
26 oct 2020 à 17 h 49
#11
DaBus
Rejoint: sep 2018
Messages: 1,369
Mentions "j'aime": 458
I don't mind the deal but if the Hawks are retaining the 5M they should get a 1st instead of a 2nd
26 oct 2020 à 17 h 51
#12
Rejoint: aoû 2018
Messages: 297
Mentions "j'aime": 114
overpayment for a guy past 30 who scores a lot of points but who's a big liability defensively. No thanks.
Ryminister_27 a aimé ceci.
26 oct 2020 à 17 h 56
#13
Rejoint: jun 2017
Messages: 2,613
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
Fast no from Montreal. You'd be more likely to get Caufield, but you're not getting Kotkaniemi.

Chicago hangs up. 5 million retained. Youre nuts.
ChiHawk a aimé ceci.
26 oct 2020 à 18 h 12
#14
Rejoint: avr 2017
Messages: 13,174
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Modifié 26 oct 2020 à 18 h 23
Quoting: SkatinTintin
overpayment for a guy past 30 who scores a lot of points but who's a big liability defensively. No thanks.


You mean one of the most prolific play makers in the game even today. He's a setup guy who's still a top 5 winger in the league and top 10 forward hands down. Yes, defensively he's not good, but his transition game, passing and shot are still top of the league.

MTL is not a good fit, they aren't ready for a cup, but a team like the Avs or Vegas would put them over the top with Kane.

None of this matters, Kane isn't waiving (especially for a canadian team) and Hawks aren't retaining anything close to $5M anyway.
26 oct 2020 à 18 h 13
#15
Rejoint: avr 2017
Messages: 13,174
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Quoting: Breadmanhawks
I think the problem with Kane is that no one is willing to give up the assets for a fair trade. Like realistically if Kane is being traded with 50% retention and a cap dump is coming back, he should bring back an absolute haul. 50% retention is a lot for someone of his caliber who is arguably outperforming his contract already.

A lot of people on here don't see the value in Kane and that derives from most of them not actually watching him play and just seeing his age. It doesn't matter what his workout routine is or how dedicated he is or whether his game is mental or physical. Hawks fans see another St Louis career which is completely reasonable considering Kane has gotten much better after the "traditional prime years". It really would be unfair for any team to trade what some are proposing for a 31+ career of St Louis'.

Honestly, I don't mind either way because if we trade him it helps us rebuild so that we can resign him after his contract is over. Also giving me a little playoff excitement haha. And I'm totally ok with no trading him.

At the end of the day, people can bring up age but his numbers don't lie and getting that sort of production at ~5M is absurd.


A lot of people on here don't have a clue honestly. They overvalue draft picks, and don't understand the value to wining a cup and just how much revenue that brings a team. A team truly competing, MTL is not and Kane would never waive to go there, would be all over a Kane trade IF he was available.

Kane has more hardware to his name then most teams do on their entire roster combined.
Breadmanhawks a aimé ceci.
26 oct 2020 à 18 h 22
#16
Banni
Rejoint: mar 2018
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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55
Chicago hangs up. 5 million retained. Youre nuts.


Even with no rentention, easy pass from Montreal. Hawks fans need to stop living from 6 seasons ago.
26 oct 2020 à 18 h 43
#17
Rejoint: jun 2017
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
Even with no rentention, easy pass from Montreal. Hawks fans need to stop living from 6 seasons ago.


Lol
Chicago isn't doing this. Montréal wouldn't be able to pass. Maybe watch Kane, he is the same from 6 years ago.

Not a hawk or hab fan
Breadmanhawks et ChiHawk a aimé ceci.
26 oct 2020 à 18 h 49
#18
Banni
Rejoint: mar 2018
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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55
Lol
Chicago isn't doing this. Montréal wouldn't be able to pass. Maybe watch Kane, he is the same from 6 years ago.

Not a hawk or hab fan


Montreal wouldn't do it. Doesn't matter if you think Kane is the same as he was 6 years ago. Habs wouldn't give up that much for a guy over 30 with very few years left on his deal. They'll get more use out of what was asked to give up. Doesn't make any sense to give up that much for Kane when Kane doesn't even fit Montreal's window to win. Easy pass.
26 oct 2020 à 20 h 22
#19
Rejoint: sep 2020
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Quoting: Breadmanhawks
I think the problem with Kane is that no one is willing to give up the assets for a fair trade. Like realistically if Kane is being traded with 50% retention and a cap dump is coming back, he should bring back an absolute haul. 50% retention is a lot for someone of his caliber who is arguably outperforming his contract already.

A lot of people on here don't see the value in Kane and that derives from most of them not actually watching him play and just seeing his age. It doesn't matter what his workout routine is or how dedicated he is or whether his game is mental or physical. Hawks fans see another St Louis career which is completely reasonable considering Kane has gotten much better after the "traditional prime years". It really would be unfair for any team to trade what some are proposing for a 31+ career of St Louis'.

Honestly, I don't mind either way because if we trade him it helps us rebuild so that we can resign him after his contract is over. Also giving me a little playoff excitement haha. And I'm totally ok with no trading him.

At the end of the day, people can bring up age but his numbers don't lie and getting that sort of production at ~5M is absurd.


It’s the whole “well what has he done recently?” Bug... just because there’s no cup the last few years they think he is irrelevant to hockey. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ Montreal has never had an elite forward, they rely on the 6 guys making 5-6M. This deal would be perfect for both sides. CHI fast tracks the rebuild. Montreal makes it deep in playoffs and likely wins a cup in those 3 years before their franchise G retires. Yes, it’s a lot to lose but in 94 the rangers gave up Doug Weight and Tony Amonte to raise a cup. Dallas moves Iginla to win..
Breadmanhawks a aimé ceci.
26 oct 2020 à 23 h 55
#20
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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55
Lol
Chicago isn't doing this. Montréal wouldn't be able to pass. Maybe watch Kane, he is the same from 6 years ago.

Not a hawk or hab fan


Ignore him, he trolls Hawks fans as half his activity on here. As a Leafs fans, he likely doesn't get out of his Leafs box so isn't aware how good Kane still is.
26 oct 2020 à 23 h 59
#21
Rejoint: avr 2017
Messages: 13,174
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Quoting: NYR1983
It’s the whole “well what has he done recently?” Bug... just because there’s no cup the last few years they think he is irrelevant to hockey. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ Montreal has never had an elite forward, they rely on the 6 guys making 5-6M. This deal would be perfect for both sides. CHI fast tracks the rebuild. Montreal makes it deep in playoffs and likely wins a cup in those 3 years before their franchise G retires. Yes, it’s a lot to lose but in 94 the rangers gave up Doug Weight and Tony Amonte to raise a cup. Dallas moves Iginla to win..


Hawks won't trade Kane and highly unlikely he would waive. However even in fantasy world, the trade is not enough for $5M of retention on Kane; for $2M or $2.5M maybe but not $5M. They need to throw in a first unconditional. Even then, personally I say no as I'm not high on Kotkaniemi. Ramonov and Caufield would have to be the key prospects coming back and remove Tatar as we have zero use for him rebuilding. A cap dump could be included like Paul Byron.
 
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