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Top 30 Centers in the league come attack me

Créé par: MelonVK
Date de création initiale: oct 19, 2020
Publié: 19 oct 2020 à 17 h 11
Équipe: 2020-21 Équipe du client
Explications
I'm doing this because I hate myself and feed off of your anger. I can already tell this is going to be brutal, but well, I guess I love attention?

I didn't make this list for you to tell me that Connor McDavid actually is really good, I clearly disagree with him being the #1 player in the game. If you can't play defense, at a certain point your offense isn't enough. It doesn't matter if you're McDavid, Draisaitl, Ovechkin (apparently only Nylander who's way better defensively than all those guys). No, Barkov isn't some secret defensive gem, he had other good underlying numbers though, but he's catched up to those in terms of production now - again he's not a secret at this point. ROR, Toews, Krejci, Larkin and Hischier are pretty much that on the other hand.
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
3281 500 000 $239 892 166 $0 $2 850 000 $-158 392 166 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
6 300 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 3
SJS
Couture, Logan
8 000 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 7
PHI
Couturier, Sean
4 333 333 $
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 1
VAN
Pettersson, Elias
925 000 $
C
RFA - 1
WSH
Kuznetsov, Evgeny
7 800 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 5
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
CGY
Monahan, Sean
6 375 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 3
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
6 875 000 $
C
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
EDM
McDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $
C
UFA - 6
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Point, Brayden
6 750 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
8 500 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 4
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
8 500 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 5
WPG
Scheifele, Mark
6 125 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 4
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
9 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 2
FLA
Barkov, Aleksander
5 900 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 2
CHI
Toews, Jonathan
10 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 6
CAR
Aho, Sebastian
8 460 250 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
WSH
Bäckström, Nicklas
9 200 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
STL
O'Reilly, Ryan
7 500 000 $
C
UFA - 3
Barzal, Matthew
5 000 000 $
BOS
Krejci, David
7 250 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
DET
Larkin, Dylan
6 100 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
LAK
Kopitar, Anze
10 000 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 4
NJD
Hischier, Nico
7 250 000 $
C
UFA - 7
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
5 625 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
Dubois, Pierre-Luc
5 000 000 $
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
5 350 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 2
DAL
Seguin, Tyler
9 850 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 7
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but

Unités spéciales

Infériorité numérique 1
Couture, L.
 
Danault, P.
 
Infériorité numérique 2
Kuznetsov, E.
 
Monahan, S.
 

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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 13
#1
The Chief of Kief
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McDavid is... 7th...
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 13
#2
User TitleFlair
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David Krejci -_-
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 14
#3
RangerWall92
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Oh jeez
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 14
#4
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This is brutal
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 15
#5
Moderators Are Soft
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You didn't put them in order right?
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 15
#6
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danault?
monahan?
malkin?
Kuznetsov?
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 17
#7
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Quoting: lebronisdagoat
danault?
monahan?
malkin?
Kuznetsov?


Monahan, Danault and Kuznetsov are all on there but apparently it cut off
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 17
#8
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Quoting: lebronisdagoat
danault?
monahan?
malkin?
Kuznetsov?


Malkin Kuznetsov, maybe Monahan. Danault? Yeah, no.
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 17
#9
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Quoting: Chief_Kief
McDavid is... 7th...


yup
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 17
#10
The Chief of Kief
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Quoting: lebronisdagoat
danault?
monahan?
malkin?
Kuznetsov?


Good lord not Kuznetsov
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 17
#11
best poster
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this is peak two-way forward circlejerk.

impressive.
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 18
#12
The Chief of Kief
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Quoting: dzad96
Malkin Kuznetsov, maybe Monahan. Danault? Yeah, no.


Danault is very good
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 19
#13
best poster
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Quoting: Chief_Kief
Danault is very good


Not sure he has a case for top 30 in the league. For me he'd need to break 60 points at least.
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 21
#14
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Quoting: mondo
Not sure he has a case for top 30 in the league. For me he'd need to break 60 points at least.


Yeah the points havent translated from his play but hes def better than Kuznetsov
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 26
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When you turn on shuffle on spotify
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 32
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Quoting: mondo
this is peak two-way forward circlejerk.

impressive.


Quoting: mondo
Not sure he has a case for top 30 in the league. For me he'd need to break 60 points at least.


You realise how flawed your thinking is?

If the best offensive forward in the league is the worst defensive forward in the league he's league average in theory. Needing "to break 60 points" is the strangest requirement. What if you're the best defensive forward in the league - no one can score on you, and you always manage 59 points and +59 every season - are you not the best forward in the league, never mind on this list?

Now, I even have some leeway here: if you're immensely talented offensively, but equally poor on defense, that's still better than average on both - since coaches can adjust situations for you.

I'd love to hear your justification for offense apparently counting for approx. 90% of player value.
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 34
#17
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Quoting: MelonVK
You realise how flawed your thinking is?

If the best offensive forward in the league is the worst defensive forward in the league he's league average in theory. Needing "to break 60 points" is the strangest requirement. What if you're the best defensive forward in the league - no one can score on you, and you always manage 59 points and +59 every season - are you not the best forward in the league, never mind on this list?

Now, I even have some leeway here: if you're immensely talented offensively, but equally poor on defense, that's still better than average on both - since coaches can adjust situations for you.

I'd love to hear your justification for offense apparently counting for approx. 90% of player value.


Last I checked you need more goals than the other team to win. Need to score to do that.
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 35
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This is what advanced stats do to people lol
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 35
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What in tarnation
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 36
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Quoting: MelonVK
You realise how flawed your thinking is?

If the best offensive forward in the league is the worst defensive forward in the league he's league average in theory. Needing "to break 60 points" is the strangest requirement. What if you're the best defensive forward in the league - no one can score on you, and you always manage 59 points and +59 every season - are you not the best forward in the league, never mind on this list?

Now, I even have some leeway here: if you're immensely talented offensively, but equally poor on defense, that's still better than average on both - since coaches can adjust situations for you.

I'd love to hear your justification for offense apparently counting for approx. 90% of player value.


Excuse me sir, I'm questioning whether you've actually watched a game of hockey. But I severely doubt it. This list sucks loool
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 37
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Quoting: dzad96
Last I checked you need more goals than the other team to win. Need to score to do that.


That does in no way, shape or form engage with the comment I made.

Also - if McDavid can't score when you're on the ice, that defense should be as valuable as his offense
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 38
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Quoting: RangerWall92
Excuse me sir, I'm questioning whether you've actually watched a game of hockey. But I severely doubt it. This list sucks loool


I see you haven't checked out my profile
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 39
#23
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Quoting: MelonVK
I see you haven't checked out my profile


You're a bruins fan. Makes sense
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19 oct 2020 à 17 h 43
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Quoting: MelonVK
That does in no way, shape or form engage with the comment I made.

Also - if McDavid can't score when you're on the ice, that defense should be as valuable as his offense


You are ignoring the fact that a forward's specific responsibility is to score goals where as a defensemen is meant to prevent goals.

Also, you are making an assumption that defensive forwards can prevent goals at the same rate that offensive forwards can score goals. When in a reality, an elite defensive forward has less control over goals allowed as elite offensive forwards have over goals scored.
19 oct 2020 à 17 h 44
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This is god awful
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