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What is Duc worth

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He's been on 5 teams in the past 6 years, I wonder if he'd take a lower AAV in order to get some term? Same with Kahun - 3 teams in 2 seasons would make me travel-weary.
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8 oct. 2020 à 14 h 41
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nah he wouldnt do that. He wants like actual money more than his QO which was like 2.35m or something. I think 3x3 is pretty feasible for him on the low end
8 oct. 2020 à 14 h 43
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I'm pretty sure it's Duke
8 oct. 2020 à 14 h 43
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The Wild are the last team to trade a pick for Chiasson.
8 oct. 2020 à 14 h 46
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I could see 2/3 years between $3-3.75m
8 oct. 2020 à 14 h 47
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id say 3/4 years at around $3/4M
8 oct. 2020 à 14 h 48
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He wants 5 years at north of 4mil lol this isn’t even ballpark. Is he worth that? I mean no, but that’s the only reason he wasn’t qualified. He’s also representing himself for some reason so he’s not even getting realistic advice
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Wasn’t he asking 4.5 to 5.5 on something longterm, I’m sure there’s a show me deal a brewing some where.
8 oct. 2020 à 14 h 50
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I’d just be nervous about term. 2-3 years maybe. With duclair I see some AA in him will be a hit or miss not sure much middle ground which makes me nervous. Don’t get me wrong I’d sooner gamble on duclair than AA
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He wants 5 years at north of 4mil lol this isn’t even ballpark. Is he worth that? I mean no, but that’s the only reason he wasn’t qualified. He’s also representing himself for some reason so he’s not even getting realistic advice

About the worst possible time to be representing himself damn, majority of teams at cap or internal cap I bet
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8 oct. 2020 à 14 h 52
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Nothing close to that. I think he is looking for something around 4m.
8 oct. 2020 à 14 h 55
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I’d just be nervous about term. 2-3 years maybe. With duclair I see some AA in him will be a hit or miss not sure much middle ground which makes me nervous. Don’t get me wrong I’d sooner gamble on duclair than AA


This is how I see him too. His production isn't bad, but with 5 teams passing him off like a hot potato you gotta think there are other considerations as well, no? I think most of the suggestions above are ridiculous... while there are teams that would be willing to give him a "show me" deal, I rather think he's sick of moving around and might take a smaller deal just to get some term and stability.
8 oct. 2020 à 15 h 1
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This is how I see him too. His production isn't bad, but with 5 teams passing him off like a hot potato you gotta think there are other considerations as well, no? I think most of the suggestions above are ridiculous... while there are teams that would be willing to give him a "show me" deal, I rather think he's sick of moving around and might take a smaller deal just to get some term and stability.

If he was going to do that it would be in Ottawa, where he has revived his career and has a significant role. He won’t be given the same opportunity anywhere else so he won’t be as good
8 oct. 2020 à 15 h 3
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nah he wouldnt do that. He wants like actual money more than his QO which was like 2.35m or something. I think 3x3 is pretty feasible for him on the low end


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I could see 2/3 years between $3-3.75m


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id say 3/4 years at around $3/4M


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He wants 5 years at north of 4mil lol this isn’t even ballpark. Is he worth that? I mean no, but that’s the only reason he wasn’t qualified. He’s also representing himself for some reason so he’s not even getting realistic advice


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Wasn’t he asking 4.5 to 5.5 on something longterm, I’m sure there’s a show me deal a brewing some where.


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Nothing close to that. I think he is looking for something around 4m.


I'm not interested in what he wants, I'm looking for input into what a team will actually give him. I don't see anyone committing to him for 3+ years at $4M+ as many have suggested, I think he's going to have to take less AAV or less term. I'm suggesting that he's better off taking less AAV rather than a "show me" deal since (a) he has "showed" 5 teams already and (b) he needs the stability in order to reach his potential as a player. He just turned 25, a 3-year deal has him hitting free agency at 28 just as the cap starts rising again and (theoretically) coming off 3 solid seasons playing on a high-octane offensive team. I can't think of a better position than that.

Maybe $1.75M is too low, I was just throwing something out there to put the AGM up. But I highly doubt anyone is going to sign him for $4M+ and term.
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If he was going to do that it would be in Ottawa, where he has revived his career and has a significant role. He won’t be given the same opportunity anywhere else so he won’t be as good


I think playing in Edmonton is a far better opportunity.
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I'm not interested in what he wants, I'm looking for input into what a team will actually give him. I don't see anyone committing to him for 3+ years at $4M+ as many have suggested, I think he's going to have to take less AAV or less term. I'm suggesting that he's better off taking less AAV rather than a "show me" deal since (a) he has "showed" 5 teams already and (b) he needs the stability in order to reach his potential as a player. He just turned 25, a 3-year deal has him hitting free agency at 28 just as the cap starts rising again and (theoretically) coming off 3 solid seasons playing on a high-octane offensive team. I can't think of a better position than that.

Maybe $1.75M is too low, I was just throwing something out there to put the AGM up. But I highly doubt anyone is going to sign him for $4M+ and term.


Probably 1 x 3.5 or bidding war at that point, probably looking for cash over fit
8 oct. 2020 à 15 h 6
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I think playing in Edmonton is a far better opportunity.

I guess it depends if he gets more than 2 games with McDavid or if they bury him and ruin his production like they did with AA, a very similar player honestly. With Ottawa he’s got chemistry with some of our guys and established in the top line role already
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I'm not interested in what he wants, I'm looking for input into what a team will actually give him. I don't see anyone committing to him for 3+ years at $4M+ as many have suggested, I think he's going to have to take less AAV or less term. I'm suggesting that he's better off taking less AAV rather than a "show me" deal since (a) he has "showed" 5 teams already and (b) he needs the stability in order to reach his potential as a player. He just turned 25, a 3-year deal has him hitting free agency at 28 just as the cap starts rising again and (theoretically) coming off 3 solid seasons playing on a high-octane offensive team. I can't think of a better position than that.

Maybe $1.75M is too low, I was just throwing something out there to put the AGM up. But I highly doubt anyone is going to sign him for $4M+ and term.


yeah but what he wants is going to play into negotiations so it matters. He is seeking 4+m. 3 years i agree with but 1.75 is double league min, hes better than that anyways
8 oct. 2020 à 15 h 8
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nah he wouldnt do that. He wants like actual money more than his QO which was like 2.35m or something. I think 3x3 is pretty feasible for him on the low end


Totally agree 3 million gets it done. But it would be a fantastic signing @CD282
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8 oct. 2020 à 15 h 18
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yeah but what he wants is going to play into negotiations so it matters. He is seeking 4+m. 3 years i agree with but 1.75 is double league min, hes better than that anyways


It will play into the talks for the first week. Teams will just walk away from that ask and he'll be left with nothing. This offseason is like a game of musical chairs - if you're the last guy standing, you might not get a contract at all.
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It will play into the talks for the first week. Teams will just walk away from that ask and he'll be left with nothing. This offseason is like a game of musical chairs - if you're the last guy standing, you might not get a contract at all.


i agree there but i do think a contract in the range of 3x3 is fair all around
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I'm not interested in what he wants, I'm looking for input into what a team will actually give him. I don't see anyone committing to him for 3+ years at $4M+ as many have suggested, I think he's going to have to take less AAV or less term. I'm suggesting that he's better off taking less AAV rather than a "show me" deal since (a) he has "showed" 5 teams already and (b) he needs the stability in order to reach his potential as a player. He just turned 25, a 3-year deal has him hitting free agency at 28 just as the cap starts rising again and (theoretically) coming off 3 solid seasons playing on a high-octane offensive team. I can't think of a better position than that.

Maybe $1.75M is too low, I was just throwing something out there to put the AGM up. But I highly doubt anyone is going to sign him for $4M+ and term.


He scored 23 goals and has very good speed, hes going to get around $3M
8 oct. 2020 à 15 h 43
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Hey @CD282 What do you think of the Oielrs going after Murray from the Blue Jackets. I know he is hurt all the time, but he is resonable cap hit and we need him to jsut get through until Klef gets back.
8 oct. 2020 à 16 h 9
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I'm not interested in what he wants, I'm looking for input into what a team will actually give him. I don't see anyone committing to him for 3+ years at $4M+ as many have suggested, I think he's going to have to take less AAV or less term. I'm suggesting that he's better off taking less AAV rather than a "show me" deal since (a) he has "showed" 5 teams already and (b) he needs the stability in order to reach his potential as a player. He just turned 25, a 3-year deal has him hitting free agency at 28 just as the cap starts rising again and (theoretically) coming off 3 solid seasons playing on a high-octane offensive team. I can't think of a better position than that.

Maybe $1.75M is too low, I was just throwing something out there to put the AGM up. But I highly doubt anyone is going to sign him for $4M+ and term.


Why not? Cbj just ponied up over 5m to send domi to ufa... he scored 23 goals on a very bad team (no offence intended sens fans) he has shown he can elevate his game and play some exciting hockey. After Holl he is the next best offensive talent in this years ufa pool. 3rd if toffoli gets there.
8 oct. 2020 à 16 h 14
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Hey @CD282 What do you think of the Oielrs going after Murray from the Blue Jackets. I know he is hurt all the time, but he is resonable cap hit and we need him to jsut get through until Klef gets back.


Depends on how the deal is structured and if he's healthy. There's nothing especially impressive about him, but he's stable (if healthy). Pretty meh 2nd pairing guy, really.
8 oct. 2020 à 16 h 21
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This is how I see him too. His production isn't bad, but with 5 teams passing him off like a hot potato you gotta think there are other considerations as well, no? I think most of the suggestions above are ridiculous... while there are teams that would be willing to give him a "show me" deal, I rather think he's sick of moving around and might take a smaller deal just to get some term and stability.


I’d be ok approaching duclair and say you want 4+ million I can’t give you that and if someone is willing do it but I can give you the opportunity to get it when the cap opens up in 2-3 years. I can provide you a chance with a couple art ross winning centres at 2million for 3 years or 2.5 for 2 years. Ball is in his court but would not negotiate the offer is what it is. I personally believe maroon is a smarter target at the end of the day. Why gamble on another AA situation why not aim for something we seen work. It’s not like it was 10 years ago he scored the first goal at Rogers place in an oilers jersey and loved his team loved the city team and city loved him. Solid fit and in my opinion on maroon he is a big body can provide what kass does but on the left side opening up the right for JP to be given a chance putting kass into a more depth role possibly with JJ creating a physical 4th line that has a purpose to wear players down. If maroon doesn’t click with mcdavid again then he can play with jj and accomplish that so he’s my targeted guy in a perfect world
 
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