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Getting Creative

Créé par: desertdog111
Date de création initiale: sep 23, 2020
Publié: 23 sep 2020 à 22 h 57
Équipe: 2020-21 Coyotes de l'Arizona
Explications
Army mentioned wanting to get bigger, these trades would help with that
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse21 500 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Capobianco, Kyle1800 000 $
Fischer, Christian1800 000 $
Gross, Jordan1800 000 $
Smereck, Jalen1800 000 $
Rodrigues, Evan12 000 000 $
Transactions
ARI
  1. Dubé, Dillon
  2. 2020 1e round pick (CGY)
CGY
  1. Kuemper, Darcy
ARI
  1. McBain, Jack [Liste de réserve]
  2. 2021 3e round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Stepan, Derek
ARI
  1. Nurse, Darnell
  2. Russell, Kris
  3. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Liste de réserve]
  4. 2021 1e round pick (EDM)
  5. 2021 3e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
ARI
  1. 2020 5e round pick (TOR)
FLA
  1. Oesterle, Jordan
ARI
    Forfeit
    FLA
    1. 2021 1e round pick (ARI)
    2. 2020 2e round pick (ARI)
    ARI
    1. Rodrigues, Evan [Droits de RFA]
    2. 2020 4e round pick (VGK)
    TOR
    1. Demers, Jason (1 000 000 $ retained)
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Jason Demers: 1 000 000 $ (25.4%)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2020
    CGY
    ARI
    VGK
    ARI
    TOR
    ARI
    ARI
    2021
    EDM
    ARI
    MIN
    EDM
    ARI
    PIT
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    2022
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    ARI
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $69 137 784 $196 951 $1 782 500 $12 362 216 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    ARI
    Garland, Conor
    775 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Schmaltz, Nick
    5 850 000 $
    C
    UFA - 6
    ARI
    Kessel, Phil
    6 800 000 $
    AD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    CGY
    Dubé, Dillon
    778 333 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Dvorak, Christian
    4 450 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 5
    ARI
    Keller, Clayton
    7 150 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 8
    ARI
    Crouse, Lawson
    1 533 333 $
    AG
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Hayton, Barrett
    894 167 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 2
    Puljujärvi, Jesse
    1 500 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Grabner, Michael
    3 350 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Pederson, Lane
    735 000 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Fischer, Christian
    800 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    ARI
    Chychrun, Jakob
    4 600 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 5
    ARI
    Goligoski, Alex
    5 475 000 $
    DG/DD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Raanta, Antti
    4 250 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    EDM
    Nurse, Darnell
    5 600 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
    ARI
    Hjalmarsson, Niklas
    5 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    ARI
    Hill, Adin
    800 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Capobianco, Kyle
    800 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    EDM
    Russell, Kris
    4 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    ARI
    Gross, Jordan
    800 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Hossa, Marián
    5 275 000 $
    AD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Rodrigues, Evan
    2 000 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA - 1

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    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 02
    #1
    Rejoint: mar 2018
    Messages: 2,216
    Mentions "j'aime": 707
    Take out the first and Edmonton might do it
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    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 07
    #2
    Démarrer sujet
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    Messages: 591
    Mentions "j'aime": 180
    Quoting: sens65
    Take out the first and Edmonton might do it


    Coyotes don’t tho
    sens65 a aimé ceci.
    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 13
    #3
    Rejoint: jun 2017
    Messages: 7,258
    Mentions "j'aime": 5,364
    No thanks. Zero interest in Stepan for me. We need to get younger as it is and if we acquire a C we need a long-term solution, not a rental like Stepan.
    OutCold13 a aimé ceci.
    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 13
    #4
    Rejoint: avr 2018
    Messages: 1,556
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    I am one that would love to see OEL on the Oilers but that price is too steep
    GrinReaper a aimé ceci.
    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 16
    #5
    Démarrer sujet
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    Quoting: TanSor
    No thanks. Zero interest in Stepan for me. We need to get younger as it is and if we acquire a C we need a long-term solution, not a rental like Stepan.


    Stepan could go anywhere for equivalent value I just picked Minny because I saw someone post an AGM with him listed as a potential target
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    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 17
    #6
    Rejoint: jun 2019
    Messages: 13,768
    Mentions "j'aime": 6,378
    That is a massive overpayment for Kuemper
    flamesfan et GrinReaper a aimé ceci.
    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 18
    #7
    Démarrer sujet
    Rejoint: mai 2018
    Messages: 591
    Mentions "j'aime": 180
    Quoting: Smokingun71
    I am one that would love to see OEL on the Oilers but that price is too steep


    Agree to disagree, JP is an unknown commodity. Scoring in the Finnish league is great but he doesn’t have the best NHL track record. You guys actually decrease cap in this deal too
    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 20
    #8
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    That is a massive overpayment for Kuemper


    It’s what it’s going to take forever the Coyotes to move him tho. He’s their MVP.
    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 22
    #9
    Rejoint: jun 2019
    Messages: 13,768
    Mentions "j'aime": 6,378
    Quoting: desertdog111
    It’s what it’s going to take forever the Coyotes to move him tho. He’s their MVP.


    I understand the 1st but having Dube in there is like having Hayton in the trade. Keep him if thats your asking price, word is Markstrom wants to play with his best friend Lindholm anyways
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    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 23
    #10
    Rejoint: avr 2018
    Messages: 1,556
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    Quoting: desertdog111
    Agree to disagree, JP is an unknown commodity. Scoring in the Finnish league is great but he doesn’t have the best NHL track record. You guys actually decrease cap in this deal too


    We decrease cap for 1 year and then we are stuck with a potentially declining 3 years of OEL at a huge cap hit.
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    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 25
    #11
    Rejoint: mai 2019
    Messages: 5,639
    Mentions "j'aime": 2,110
    Quoting: desertdog111
    Coyotes don’t tho


    Looks like you wasted your time with that trade then. To rich for oilers blood
    GrinReaper a aimé ceci.
    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 27
    #12
    Rejoint: nov 2019
    Messages: 1,269
    Mentions "j'aime": 367
    Flames easily decline, take out dube. Flames wouldn’t trade dube for kuemper 1 for 1
    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 29
    #13
    Rejoint: fév 2020
    Messages: 9
    Mentions "j'aime": 2
    Yeah flames don’t touch this. Not even close
    23 sep 2020 à 23 h 55
    #14
    Rejoint: mai 2016
    Messages: 5,932
    Mentions "j'aime": 2,273
    Quoting: TanSor
    No thanks. Zero interest in Stepan for me. We need to get younger as it is and if we acquire a C we need a long-term solution, not a rental like Stepan.


    Stepan as a cheap to get rental is fine with me. He's better than MarJo, Rask, and Bjugstad. Seriously MN is going into the season where Rask might be the 2nd best center on the team.
    24 sep 2020 à 0 h 02
    #15
    Oilers GM
    Rejoint: avr 2020
    Messages: 1,539
    Mentions "j'aime": 564
    with that price, we better be getting 15-16 OEL, not 19-20 OEL
    GrinReaper a aimé ceci.
    24 sep 2020 à 0 h 08
    #16
    Rejoint: jun 2017
    Messages: 7,258
    Mentions "j'aime": 5,364
    Quoting: wabit
    Stepan as a cheap to get rental is fine with me. He's better than MarJo, Rask, and Bjugstad. Seriously MN is going into the season where Rask might be the 2nd best center on the team.


    I'm shocked you're saying this after the years we endured as fans where Fletcher perpetually demolished our prospect pool by making trades like this. We aren't winning anything with or without Stepan so there's zero reason to acquire him by using futures IMO. Just keep the picks and hope we get another Beckman or Khovanov. Brackett has had a bunch of good hits later in drafts as well.
    24 sep 2020 à 0 h 20
    #17
    Bringer_Of_Snow
    Rejoint: avr 2016
    Messages: 976
    Mentions "j'aime": 367
    Like the Oilers deal. I think the Yotes would need to retain like $1-$2M to help the Oilers out a little. I don't mind the pieces getting shipped out
    24 sep 2020 à 1 h 00
    #18
    Rejoint: mai 2016
    Messages: 5,932
    Mentions "j'aime": 2,273
    Quoting: TanSor
    I'm shocked you're saying this after the years we endured as fans where Fletcher perpetually demolished our prospect pool by making trades like this. We aren't winning anything with or without Stepan so there's zero reason to acquire him by using futures IMO. Just keep the picks and hope we get another Beckman or Khovanov. Brackett has had a bunch of good hits later in drafts as well.


    Stepan for a 2nd, 3rd, or Donato is no big deal to me. Monahan, Domi, Danault, etc for Dumba/Brodin/1sts bothers me. I'll take the bandaide of Stepan over the tourniquet of bad trade targets being thrown around on here and by the press. I don't put much stock in picks after the top-25. They are nice but there are too many misses or fringe players are the end result. I won't lose any sleep over trading away a 2nd to make the team better.

    For all the flack Fletcher got he put some very good teams on the ice. The change in CBA, the Vegas expansion draft, and cap not growing like it was projected did him in. Unless Gurin puts a Playoff team on the ice next year he won't be here long. So far he has actively made the NHL team worse than when he took over a year ago. He's not fixing any issues, he's just hoping the kids he inherited grow up and make him look good.
    24 sep 2020 à 4 h 12
    #19
    Rejoint: aoû 2020
    Messages: 932
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    Quoting: ken_holland
    with that price, we better be getting 15-16 OEL, not 19-20 OEL


    Quoting: ken_holland
    with that price, we better be getting 15-16 OEL, not 19-20 OEL


    Zero chance his best days are far behind him
    I don’t believe Edm has any interest in trading for OEL this rumour is being driven by the media his cap hit is to high and to long of term for Edm to even consider it Yotes would have to retain 2mil plus or the Yotes would have to seriously over pay to move him. 7 yrs at 8.25 broke the 50 point mark once 5 yrs ago and was a -25 that yr and has been a minus player every yr since, you can pick apart nurses defensive # but OEL are no better and nurse is 3mil cheaper and bring a edge to our blue line
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    24 sep 2020 à 8 h 36
    #20
    Oilers GM
    Rejoint: avr 2020
    Messages: 1,539
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    Quoting: GrinReaper
    Zero chance his best days are far behind him
    I don’t believe Edm has any interest in trading for OEL this rumour is being driven by the media his cap hit is to high and to long of term for Edm to even consider it Yotes would have to retain 2mil plus or the Yotes would have to seriously over pay to move him. 7 yrs at 8.25 broke the 50 point mark once 5 yrs ago and was a -25 that yr and has been a minus player every yr since, you can pick apart nurses defensive # but OEL are no better and nurse is 3mil cheaper and bring a edge to our blue line


    OEL is slightly better than Nurse imo, but it's a lateral move with that massive contract. And don't forget he'll be 36 when it ends.
    24 sep 2020 à 9 h 17
    #21
    Rejoint: mar 2017
    Messages: 12,869
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    Quoting: ken_holland
    OEL is slightly better than Nurse imo, but it's a lateral move with that massive contract. And don't forget he'll be 36 when it ends.


    That's debatable. But don't forget Nurse is 25 and OEL is 30. Even if you set that onerous contract aside, I wouldn't trade Nurse for OEL 1-for-1 just due to age.
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    24 sep 2020 à 9 h 58
    #22
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    Quoting: CD282
    That's debatable. But don't forget Nurse is 25 and OEL is 30. Even if you set that onerous contract aside, I wouldn't trade Nurse for OEL 1-for-1 just due to age.


    I agree. OEL could be that dman who defies age and production and impact could remain the same in his late 30's, but that's a big if. I dont think ARI is going to get what they want for OEL and they'll end up taking pennies on the dollar, because that's all they care about
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