And Buffalo doesn't want him or his contract back!

Toronto laughs and hangs up

We can do better on the free agency market

I'd say Montreal does that if we trade Domi or Danault. There isn't really a spot here for AA otherwise

Yeah, that's fair.

This scenario assumes Pietrangelo is off-the-market so you've got Barrie, Schultz, Vatanen, Hamonic, Tanev, Pysyk, Van Riemsdyk, and Ceci as some of the notable RHD available in free agency, two of which you've already tried. Knock yourself out. You are either looking at more money and/or a very different type of player than TOR needs. Larsson is a big body, who plays a hard game, and he can chew up 20 minutes a night. In Edmonton, he regularly plays the toughest minutes on the team and a clear majority of his TOI is defensive zone starts. Larsson and Khaira have both been on TOR's radar for awhile with rumoured returns of Kapanen, Johnsson, or Kerfoot +. Kapanen was just traded for a 1st and two additional players, including a good prospect. Expecting Larsson and Khaira to net a 1st is realistic, imo, and, if not from TOR, I'm sure there's a team in the NHL that would give up that asking price or, at the very least, two 2nds. Lesser dmen in the past year have regularly gone for a 2nd plus either another pick or a prospect.

I think he'd make a lot of sense there, especially with all the turnover in the bottom six. He's capable of netting 10-15 goals and can play up and down the lineup as needed. He adds some real aggressiveness and he's fast. He's a guy that can change momentum with hits, fights, and crazy eyes. Won over Oilers fans who hated him with a passion because of his cheap shot on Sam Gagner, a very popular Oiler. The contract is an overpay for sure but very doable for Buffalo. He adds a dimension that I don't think they have. However, if not Buffalo, the asking price is fair and I think could be obtained somewhere. To my knowledge, he didn't burn bridges in Buffalo but feel free to correct me on this.

U forgot demelo and Braun both of which are better targets. Hamonic will cost 4 mill to sign and not cost us a 1st same with Braun. Demelo will cost 3.5 and is the better fit. As for your value of Larsson + kharia laughable considering both are not even close to 1st pick worth territory

In general this is a yikes and a no thank you as there is so much wrong with this.

Demelo and Hamonic are likely to be signed by WPG. They desperately need D. Hamonic is from WPG and it is where he wanted to be dealt when he moved from NY to CGY because of family. I'd be shocked if he doesn't sign there. He also underperformed in CGY and so I question whether TOR would really want him anyway. I feel like EDM dodged a bullet when CGY beat us out in the Hamonic sweepstakes. WPG liked Demelo and I don't see why they won't be able to reach a deal. He's a decent option if he reaches the market but I don't think you get the same toughness from him that you do from Larsson, which has been part of the criticism with TOR---namely, their D aren't hard/physically demanding to play against. As for Braun, I don't see him as good as Larsson by a significant margin. He's an aging, 3rd pair dman. Larsson is six years younger. So, knock yourself out on Braun, I guess, if you disagree. The fact that you think the value is "laughable" isn't supported by comparables. So, while I'll admit the 1st is a reach, it's not out of line with the two picks or picks and a prospect that other mostly lesser or older dmen have yielded, especially given TOR's needs and Larsson's age, contract, player type, handedness, and what's available on the market. Two 2nds or Dermott (b/c of 3LHD logjam in TOR) are other possible returns but I'd need to rework some things to get a contract done for Dermott. I'm sure, even if it were ultimately a no from TOR, the ask is reasonable and would be met somewhere in the NHL. Adam Larsson is a bonafide second pairing dman on all but maybe a handful of NHL teams that are unusually stacked on right-D. He has played top pairing for most of his time in Edmonton and is capable of that in the defensive-minded support role.

Winnipeg does not have the money for both a new 2nd line center and a new backup plus resigning all there rfas

In general Larsson is not who we need. He is asking upgrade over ceci as they both such at transitioning the puck. At most all dubas would give is johnsson nothing more nothing less

In general your values on players are way off. Dubas has finances on his side and if players want stability Toronto can give it to them. Plus they get big signing bonuses meaning more money in the end on a lower cap hit.

Larsson had worse defensive numbers than cody ceci last year

Great explications on the trades, took a lot of time, but none of the other teams accept the trades.

Lol ya good luck with that.

You are high if you think Pietro signs in Edmonton first off. Secondly the blues easily decline that deal and if they did accept the deal they would use the new found money on Pietro.

Be somewhat realistic will you?

Or Toronto targets a better d-man on the trade market for the 1st rounder. They can offer a better package than what you've offered for Parayko easily. They could go after Brett Pesce or possibly Dougie Hamilton. There's Dylan Demelo in free agency. Bottom line is that there's much better ways to spend the 15th overall pick in a deep draft than a 3rd pairing d-man at best and a 4th line winger. It's an easy pass for Toronto. Not even considered.

That Parayko offer is beyond terrible for the Blues. Klefbom doesn't even open a conversation on Parayko. I'm not underrating him either.

None of the reasoning makes any sense at all either.

My comment was about leafs doing better in free agency. But I’m not surprised leaf fan would suggest that since they seem to have the most trouble evaluating players.

Anyone is better than Larsson. Rushing Schneider straight into the league is better than Larsson. You won't get a 2nd for him. He isn't good and he's over priced and the exact opposite of what would be good for TO's system. A do nothing pylon who stands in front of his net and blocks shots all the time isn't what TO needs. They need defenceman that move the puck as well as defend. Like Muzzin. Larsson is just an old school stay at home plug that works in a very specific system where he can do exactly that. He's not worth his contract let alone a 1st.

If Larsson is so awesome, why are all Oiler fans trading him to TO?

Says the guy who treats Larsson like he is Morgan Rielly.

Sabres are on a pretty tight budget this offseason. They probably shouldn’t spend 3.2 on bottom 6 players. They have a lot of RFA’s this year that’s why it looks like they have a lot of cap space.

Very different players. I don’t remember ever comparing the two.

How does that pertain to anything I just said, I wasn't evaluating any players. I was stating that Pietro won't sign in Edmonton, it's not on his list of consideration.
Then there is the point of trying to send a left hand dman to a team that is rich in left hand dmen whilst robbing them of their best RHD it makes zero sense. Atleast when the typical leaf fan makes an AGM for parayko or Pietrangelo they are somewhat realistic

As for the larrson and Khairan for a first, sure they could probably get it from some team but not the leafs we have a glut of bottom six guys and if we wanted someone like khaira we would just sign someone similar and pay less for larrson why give up a first if you don't have to?

Larsson is apparently a terrific top pair stay at home defenceman. One of the best defensively in the entire league. Which is why you and your fan base trade him to TO every post. He isn't worth a roster spot on the Oilers defence which is one of the worst at 5v5 in the entire league. That is a stat you can't debate but hey, Larsson is gold you want to throw on the trash heap because a couple unproven rookies are way better than what he offers.

I didn’t have Pietrangelo sign with the Oilers. Maybe actually look at things... the trade with STL takes Pietrangelo off the market because it gives STL cap space to sign him.

Because there’s rumoured interest in him. Honestly I don’t mind if the Oilers basically stand pat this year. Downsides to all these trades imo with the exception of the Klefbom deal which I know is a win for the Oilers but the premise is that STL wants to keep Pietrangelo, which actually recent reports suggest they are not so committed to doing.