Will ABB not be in the lineup next season? Waste of talent if he's in the A

He is close during the recent camp did well. The comments were he still needs to work on his skating. Raddysh was used in many different roles. He has size so he could be a good fourth liner. If ABB is not a middle six forward it would be a waste.

Habs aren't trading their 2020 1st. Make it a 2021 1st and we accept, but Tampa doesn't. Mete is also getting a bridge deal between 1.5m-2.25m

Unless the.Montreal pick is 1OA that's a horrible trade. Surprised a Habs fan made that offer....

Killorn has a M NTC. He certainly isn't going to Jersey.

Maybe not. Killorn is very marketable. Always liked him and this year he elevated his game.

Killorn's "trade teams" will be good teams and teams at the cap. Trying to get a "no cap back" trade is the difficulty Tampa will have.

Depends on what pick the 1st is for MN.

Trades are pretty decent. I think however its important to note that GMs are sharks. They know TB can't sign everyone and trade some of their NMC's at the same time so they are in a bit of pickle. If Im MTL or MIN, why trade those really good picks? OS them instead. Yeah sure the slight chance they win the lottery next year but also there is better odds they don't and both teams with the addition of those players are more likely to be better than they were this year. Those are better odds of not winning than winning and worth risking since the players you are getting are current young studs themselves.

Its probably fair values in a vacuum. Under the circumstances though, I think teams are going to low ball TB in trades and worst comes to worst, OS them. They could OS both guys to 6.3M contracts and that would only be a 1st and a 3rd and it would be next years which isn't as highly touted as this years draft class.

If there ever was a time to OS players and the team virtually has no chance of matching, its this years TB RFA's. The crazy thing is, TB could lose both Serg and Cirelli, trade an extra player away to fit the cap and still be good enough to win the cup and will be getting a surge of picks and prospects to help bolster their team in following years to boot. Teams would kill to have this problem.

Not sure why isles take that trade. I just haven't seen many trades where the isles are not clearing cap. if you could expand on that id appreciate it

He is a very good heavy defensive player. Could be a 3c on many teams. Capable of adding about 12 goals a year. Relatively low cost one year contract.

Glad you saw my point. We will be fine no matter which way it falls. It is a business that we as fans need to accept. Yes it is the perfect storm for offer sheets for Serachev, Cirelli and Cernak. However there have only been 4 offers the last 10 years and all were matched. I just think there is an unwritten rule among GMs. Yes they are sharks but why else so few? The cap is a negative but the high value for Segachev, Cirelli and Killorn off set that. There will be many teams knocking on their doors.

We don’t need or have cap space for Sergachev. And Poehling isn’t an NHLer.

I've seen many Habs fans offer sheeting him or trading for him. The trade was suggested by a Habs fan the other day. There will be several trading partners if he is put on the block. I would rather keep all four but someone has to go and we will remain competitive.

Not all habs fans are competent people. Most aren’t. We can’t afford Sergachev and we don’t need LHD.

The thing with OS is they don't happen and/or get signed by the player. I do agree it's an ideal situation with TB players to get them.

For the Wild trade I think it needs some tweaking, but it's in the ball park. I'd also rather see a straight trade for Cirelli rather than an OS. It gives more contract options for the team as far as term/money. It also doesn't burn the bridge with TB for future trades. Plus I don't think Guerin is the GM that will make an OS (Fenton would have).

I agree I may have over valued Cirelli. He is an elite defender but needs to polish his offense. Today he is worth 18-20 goals and 25 ish assists. But he is young and has room to grow. OS for him have come in the 6.5 range that would give Tampa the 3 picks.

If there ever was a time to take that leap and risk slightly burning a bridge with a GM, now is the time.

- TB can't afford to pay them what they're truly worth.
- Even if they managed to create some space by trading others away, they'd still need those RFA's to take very team friendly deals. Not likely. They're willing to take a discount but not get low balled.
- Not only does OS'ing teams have a solid chance of convincing the players to accept but they wouldn't need to overshoot to a drastic # either. in the 6M's would not only ensure it gets done and all sides happy, but it would be measly 1st and 3rd as compensation. Barring that 1st turning into a top 3 pick, and maybe even then, the OS'ing team is getting the best player in the deal.

If a trade can be worked out instead that isn't much of a reach and doesn't burn any bridges in the mean time, by all means, that is the best way to go about it. IMHO, any team that can keep OS'ing a player in their back pocket during negotiations, gets a distinct advantage though. That advantage would make any negotiations from TB's side really sour. That's why I would think an OS ensures a non lottery protected 1st rounder. Probably the best return they'd get.

Maybe nothing happens. I guarantee if I were GM, I'd be all over all 3 guys with OS's. You may never get another chance of it happening with this high of odds ever again.