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What if Toronto Decided to Move on From Matthews

Créé par: Mitch1_6
Date de création initiale: mai 31, 2020
Publié: May 31 at 8:15 am
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
Don’t want Matthews gone. Just thought it’d be interesting to see how this team looks on paper Without him. I hope it never comes to this point.

Oh and btw, I’m bored so this is the only reason I’m making Matthews Trade posts. Never wanna see this guy go. Hope he brings a cup and some hart trophies in the maple leaf!
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya21 800 000 $
Foegele, Warren32 000 000 $
Dermott, Travis32 000 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Aho, Sebastian
  2. Hamilton, Dougie
  3. Necas, Martin
  4. Foegele, Warren [Droits de RFA]
  5. 2020 1e round pick (TOR)
CAR
  1. Matthews, Auston
  2. 2020 4e round pick (VGK)
TOR
  1. Robertson, Jason
DAL
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. 2020 5e round pick (VGK)
  3. 2020 6e round pick (TOR)
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
Enfoui
  • Pierre Engvall: 175 000 $ (1 250 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2183 000 000 $82 861 866 $0 $620 000 $138 134 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 893 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
1 800 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
CAR
Aho, Sebastian
8 454 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
Foegele, Warren
2 000 000 $
AG
RFA
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
DAL
Robertson, Jason
795 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
CAR
Necas, Martin
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
CAR
Hamilton, Dougie
5 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
2 000 000 $
DG
RFA
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2

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31 mai à 8 h 16
#1
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I think you'd be surprised how fast Carolina hang up
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31 mai à 8 h 38
#2
Démarrer sujet
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Quoting: Caniac2000
I think you'd be surprised how fast Carolina hang up


The whole point was to show that TORs asking price is WAY too high for anyone to consider it.
31 mai à 8 h 41
#3
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Quoting: Mitch1_6
The whole point was to show that TORs asking price is WAY too high for anyone to consider it.


The issue is you want a Norris calibre D man, and a forward who was on pace for 45 goals. Take out one and Necas, and ask Carolina to add maybe Bean and Rees/Suzuki and you're in the right kind of call park.
31 mai à 9 h 24
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I think a fun thought exercise is putting leafs fans eichel trades next to leafs fans matthews trades while eichel and matthews stats and contracts are placed next to each other as well.
31 mai à 10 h 06
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I think a fun thought exercise is putting leafs fans eichel trades next to leafs fans matthews trades while eichel and matthews stats and contracts are placed next to each other as well.


Those two are about as close to equal as you can get. I give Matthews the edge but it's close.
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31 mai à 10 h 06
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Well the DAL trade is just about as atrocious as the CAR trade.
31 mai à 10 h 15
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Those two are about as close to equal as you can get. I give Matthews the edge but it's close.


I agree except i give eichel an edge, but they are both damn good and would have similar value in a trade, so maybe when thinking nylander, dermott, robertson, a 1st 2 years from now for eichel is fair and then trade all this for matthews, you should notice the wild difference (I keep saying "you" but I don't mean you specifically)
31 mai à 10 h 17
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Quoting: Caniac2000
The issue is you want a Norris calibre D man, and a forward who was on pace for 45 goals. Take out one and Necas, and ask Carolina to add maybe Bean and Rees/Suzuki and you're in the right kind of call park.


Yeah no. Matthews is a franchise centre (top-5 in the league). Aho and Hamilton is fair (maybe Necas and the pick takes it a bit too far).

Bean is a bust and Rees and Suzuki are 2nd line forwards at best
31 mai à 10 h 26
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Quoting: NR1203
Yeah no. Matthews is a franchise centre (top-5 in the league). Aho and Hamilton is fair (maybe Necas and the pick takes it a bit too far).

Bean is a bust and Rees and Suzuki are 2nd line forwards at best


Bean will be a full-time NHL player next season
31 mai à 10 h 28
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Quoting: NR1203
Yeah no. Matthews is a franchise centre (top-5 in the league). Aho and Hamilton is fair (maybe Necas and the pick takes it a bit too far).

Bean is a bust and Rees and Suzuki are 2nd line forwards at best


Bean is going to be a full time NHLer next year

Matthews isn't a top 5 center. Personally I have him 7 or 8. His inability to play defence really hinders him. He isn't worth a top 15 centre in the league and a Norris calibre D man. Get outta here. You're delusional if you think he is.
31 mai à 10 h 44
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I agree except i give eichel an edge, but they are both damn good and would have similar value in a trade, so maybe when thinking nylander, dermott, robertson, a 1st 2 years from now for eichel is fair and then trade all this for matthews, you should notice the wild difference (I keep saying "you" but I don't mean you specifically)


I don't think that is fair for Eichel. I think if you trade Eichel you want a very strong chance of getting a franchise centre in return who is younger. Otherwise you are stuck looking for a franchise centre which is the hardest thing in the world to find.
31 mai à 11 h 34
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I'll speak from a Leaf and hockey fan POV. First, I think Matthews is the better now and for the next four yers Both Aho and Matthews have four years left on their contracts till UFA. Aho is 3.2 cheaper, and that savings can get another get another good player. So I would suggest Aho for Matthews might be pretty even trade, yea Canes might have add bit.
But to think the difference is one year of Hamilton, the potential of Necas. an NHL winger in Foegele and first rounder....now that's Leafs fantasy.
31 mai à 11 h 36
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Terry_AkiSauce
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Bean is going to be a full time NHLer next year

Matthews isn't a top 5 center. Personally I have him 7 or 8. His inability to play defence really hinders him. He isn't worth a top 15 centre in the league and a Norris calibre D man. Get outta here. You're delusional if you think he is.


Matthews inability to play defense? Cmon, everyone knows this isn't true by now, hes unbelievable defensively. He's the 4th best centre in the league behind Sid, McDavid and MacKinnon. You can make an argument that Draisaitl is better but he actually has an inability to play defense which I believe makes Matthews better. Either way the gap between Aho and Matthews is worth 1 year of Hamilton since no extension is in place. Not every Canes player is the best in the world btw
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31 mai à 11 h 41
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Bean is going to be a full time NHLer next year

Matthews isn't a top 5 center. Personally I have him 7 or 8. His inability to play defence really hinders him. He isn't worth a top 15 centre in the league and a Norris calibre D man. Get outta here. You're delusional if you think he is.


You obviously don't know anything about Matthews. He is a solid defender. People need to look at some advanced stats and even simple stats as well as watch him play to see that is a great two way centre.
Goals above replacement and wins above replacement he has been top 3 in the league the last two seasons.
3rd in the NHL in takeaways this season.
+19 this year, +37 career ( I know +/- is a bad stat, but it still supports Matthews, no surprise)

I agree that he isn't worth Aho and Hamilton, but that is a credit to Aho and Hammy. Not a discredit to Matthews.
Matthews is 4-7 for sure. Its very very close between those top centres in the league so its certainly a debate
31 mai à 11 h 54
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Matthews is better than Eichel BUT Eichel has more trade value because of the longer cheaper contract.

Matthews is worth a 18 pack of Bud Light.
Eichel is worth a 24 pack of Bud.
31 mai à 11 h 58
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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
Matthews is better than Eichel BUT Eichel has more trade value because of the longer cheaper contract.

Matthews is worth a 18 pack of Bud Light.
Eichel is worth a 24 pack of Bud.


Anyone who drinks Bud Light deserves a ban (drink responsibly)
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31 mai à 12 h 00
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Anyone who drinks Bud Light deserves a ban (drink responsibly)


Yes, that Matthews contract, his lazy defensive play and his selfish give me the puck attitude leaves a bad taste in your mouth, just like Bud Light.

Matthews is Ovie 2.0, lazy and sits at the top of the circle waiting for Marner to give him an one timer and Hyman to win the puck battles as he hides.
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31 mai à 12 h 02
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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
Yes, that Matthews contract, his lazy defensive play and his selfish give me the puck attitude leaves a bad taste in your mouth, just like Bud Light.


Oh, perfect f**king analogy. 10/10 there mate.
31 mai à 22 h 22
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Bean is going to be a full time NHLer next year

Matthews isn't a top 5 center. Personally I have him 7 or 8. His inability to play defence really hinders him. He isn't worth a top 15 centre in the league and a Norris calibre D man. Get outta here. You're delusional if you think he is.


"Inability to play defense" is a ridiculous statement. You clearly haven't watched him play at all... and you couldn't name 7 centres better than him. Crosby, Mackinnon, and Mcdavid (in no particular order) are the only ones who are better than him. Your bias is pretty clear here.
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Quoting: NR1203
"Inability to play defense" is a ridiculous statement. You clearly haven't watched him play at all... and you couldn't name 7 centres better than him. Crosby, Mackinnon, and Mcdavid (in no particular order) are the only ones who are better than him. Your bias is pretty clear here.


Crosby
McDavid
MacKinnon
Barkov
Malkin
Draisaitl
Just to name a few.
I think your bias is the one that's strong here. I have stats and facts to back up what I say, like Toronto having an xGA of +9 with Matthews and +5 without him. Numbers suggest he's a defensive liability on an already defensively inept team. He's part of the problem. That is just backed up by stats and facts.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Crosby
McDavid
MacKinnon
Barkov
Malkin
Draisaitl
Just to name a few.
I think your bias is the one that's strong here. I have stats and facts to back up what I say, like Toronto having an xGA of +9 with Matthews and +5 without him. Numbers suggest he's a defensive liability on an already defensively inept team. He's part of the problem. That is just backed up by stats and facts.


Oof. Draisaitl is an absolute defensive disaster, and you can't seriously tell me that Malkin and Barkov are better. That's just common sense. Maybe 2011 Malkin, but not 2020 Malkin.
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Quoting: NR1203
Oof. Draisaitl is an absolute defensive disaster, and you can't seriously tell me that Malkin and Barkov are better. That's just common sense. Maybe 2011 Malkin, but not 2020 Malkin.


Barkov is better, and I don't think that's close. Barkov's defensive game is better than Matthews offensive game, and Barkov's offensive game is better than Matthews defensive game. As for Malkin, if you give me the choice between Geno and Matthews, I'd take Geno every single time.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Barkov is better, and I don't think that's close. Barkov's defensive game is better than Matthews offensive game, and Barkov's offensive game is better than Matthews defensive game. As for Malkin, if you give me the choice between Geno and Matthews, I'd take Geno every single time.


That's a ridiculous argument that Barkov is better at offense than Matthews is at defence. You can't compare things that way. Matthews' offence is a lot better than Barkov and the difference on defence is negligible. I understand you overvalue Hurricanes players a lot but come on.
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