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Cirelli offer sheet plus TOR trade

Créé par: TanSor
Date de création initiale: mai 21, 2020
Publié: May 22 at 10:09 pm
Équipe: 2020-21 Wild du Minnesota
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANNÉESCAP HIT
Kaprizov, Kirill2925 000 $
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Kunin, Luke32 600 000 $
Sturm, Nico2900 000 $
Menell, Brennan2900 000 $
Kähkönen, Kaapo2900 000 $
Cirelli, Anthony56 341 151 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Soucy, Carson32 100 000 $
Offres hostiles
Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans
JOUEURAAVCOMPENSATION
Cirelli, Anthony6 341 151 $
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021
Choix de 3e ronde en 2021
Transactions
MIN
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
TOR
  1. Greenway, Jordan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Pateryn, Greg (1 125 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Greenway signs a 2 year x $1.9M extension.

Pateryn isn't the top 4 guy the Leafs are probably looking for, but he's a defensive RD that can play on the PK and brings some grit to their lineup.
MIN
  1. 2021 3e round pick (VAN)
Any team that wants depth scoring. Donato belongs in the top 9 and there isn't room in MN.
VAN
  1. Donato, Ryan
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Greg Pateryn: 1 125 000 $ (50%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MIN
PIT
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2021
MIN
VAN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $79 240 573 $0 $925 000 $2 259 427 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MIN
Parise, Zach
7 538 461 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
MIN
Staal, Eric
3 250 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
MIN
Fiala, Kevin
3 000 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
MIN
Kaprizov, Kirill
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Cirelli, Anthony
6 341 151 $
C
RFA
MIN
Zuccarello, Mats
6 000 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
MIN
Eriksson Ek, Joel
1 487 500 $
C
RFA - 1
MIN
Kunin, Luke
2 600 000 $
AD, C
RFA
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
2 875 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
MIN
Sturm, Nico
900 000 $
C
RFA
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MIN
Suter, Ryan
7 538 461 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 7
MIN
Stalock, Alex
785 000 $
G
UFA - 2
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
4 166 667 $
DG
UFA - 1
MIN
Dumba, Matt
6 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
MIN
Dubnyk, Devan
4 333 333 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
MIN
Soucy, Carson
2 100 000 $
D
UFA
MIN
Menell, Brennan
900 000 $
D
RFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MIN
Hunt, Brad
700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
MIN
Rask, Victor
4 000 000 $
C
UFA - 2

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22 mai à 22 h 22
#1
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Does Greenway bring grit? If so then I accept on behalf of the Leafs if MIN added a mid pick because Kappy has more skills than Greenway
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22 mai à 22 h 25
#2
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I would hate to lose Cirelli to an offer sheet, but at the same time, that 2021 MIN 1st could be a really good asset
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22 mai à 22 h 26
#3
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Does Greenway bring grit? If so then I accept on behalf of the Leafs if MIN added a mid pick because Kappy has more skills than Greenway


When he plays aggressively, 100%. He's nearly impossible to knock off the puck and he's a wrecking ball on skates that can score and stick handle. When he's not playing aggressively, he's still good but not the power forward force he could be. That's kind of his catch, and he won't reach his potential unless he's getting top 9 minutes (which he won't with the Wild assuming we sign Kaprizov).

Adding a pick from the Wild is fair IMO.
22 mai à 22 h 26
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Quoting: Hedman77
I would hate to lose Cirelli to an offer sheet, but at the same time, that 2021 MIN 1st could be a really good asset


Yeah that's kind of the gamble. If Fiala regresses and Kaprizov struggles, it could easily be a lottery pick. We're so starved at center I'd be willing to take the risk personally.
22 mai à 22 h 27
#5
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Quoting: TanSor
When he plays aggressively, 100%. He's nearly impossible to knock off the puck and he's a wrecking ball on skates that can score and stick handle. When he's not playing aggressively, he's still good but not the power forward force he could be. That's kind of his catch, and he won't reach his potential unless he's getting top 9 minutes (which he won't with the Wild assuming we sign Kaprizov).

Adding a pick for the Wild is fair.


Great! Done!
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22 mai à 22 h 27
#6
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Quoting: TanSor
Yeah that's kind of the gamble. If Fiala regressed and Kaprizov struggles, it could easily be a lottery pick. We're so starved at center I'd be willing to take the risk personally.


Or just move Brodin for D.Strome wink wink
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22 mai à 22 h 29
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Or just move Brodin for D.Strome wink wink


Strome kinda worries me, he played mostly with DeBrincat and Kane and obviously those two are studs. I'm not sure he's a dynamic line-driver but he does have skill.
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22 mai à 22 h 31
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Quoting: TanSor
Strome kinda worries me, he played mostly with DeBrincat and Kane and obviously those two are studs. I'm not sure he's a dynamic line-driver but he does have skill.


I mean he's a very good playmaker, IMO when he reaches his prime he'll be a money in the bank 25 assists in a season...

LIneup for next season:
FIala-Strome-Kunin
Parise-Staal-Kaprizov
Kappy(assuming the deal is still made)-E-Ek-Zuuc(unless there's a CBO)
Foligno-Donato-Hartman

Honestly not bad
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22 mai à 22 h 49
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
I mean he's a very good playmaker, IMO when he reaches his prime he'll be a money in the bank 25 assists in a season...

LIneup for next season:
FIala-Strome-Kunin
Parise-Staal-Kaprizov
Kappy(assuming the deal is still made)-E-Ek-Zuuc(unless there's a CBO)
Foligno-Donato-Hartman

Honestly not bad


He's good but I just worry that he wasn't able to be a star in Chicago with a hall of fame winger and he'd be coming to the Wild with worse wingers. He's a good player but probably more of a 2C in a contender.
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22 mai à 23 h 10
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Leafs would probs say no unless all other attempts to get a RD failed. Leafs drafted Pateryn back in 2008 and he got traded for Grabovski. Great guy and player to bad he was in the wrong leafs era especially if paired with matthews. While I like Greenway (we have his bro in reserve) I just dont see Dubas moving Kapenan unless its makes the team better than it already is. Leafs have wing depth for days so I dont see Dubas making a trade for a wing. Its not a bad trade but from where I see it Dubas will probs be looking for a partner for Rielly
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22 mai à 23 h 12
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Quoting: aadoyle
Leafs would probs say no unless all other attempts to get a RD failed. Leafs drafted Pateryn back in 2008 and got traded for Grabovski. Great guy and player to bad he was in the wrong leafs era. While I like Greenway (we have his bro in reserve) I just dont see Dubas moving Kapenan unless its makes the team better than it already is. Leafs have wing depth for days so I dont see Dubas making a trade for a wing. Its not a bad trade but from where I see it Dubas will probs be looking for a partner for Rielly


That's fair! After I submitted the post my thought was that Leafs fans would prefer a Kapanen deal centered around a solid RD with possibly a depth forward and not the other way around like I have here.
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22 mai à 23 h 16
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Quoting: TanSor
That's fair! After I submitted the post my thought was that Leafs fans would prefer a Kapanen deal centered around a solid RD with possibly a depth forward and not the other way around like I have here.


Yeah I was thinking of an idea of a 3 step trade between Nashville-Toronto-Minnesota and it would be like (Kerfoot and a 4th) for (Turris and a 3rd) then Toronto trades Turris and Holl to Minissota for Dumba with salary retained (1.5millish) and a 6th pick. Minissota gets a local player and a 2c and Toronto gets a partner for Rielly. Was originally gonna try for Spurgeon (leafs would add) but just couldnt get the cap to work.In general, Minissota gets a 2nd Center who could do with a new team, Toronto gets a RHD, and Nashville gets a cheaper 3c to replace turris. As for who replaces kerfoot. Leafs make a seperate trade later.

So the lines would be like

Parise-Stall-Fiala
Krill-Turris-Zucurrelo
Greenway- Joel-Kunin
Folingo-Nico-Ryan
22 mai à 23 h 40
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Quoting: aadoyle
Yeah I was thinking of an idea of a 3 step trade between Nashville-Toronto-Minnesota and it would be like (Kerfoot and a 4th) for (Turris and a 3rd) then Toronto trades Turris and Holl to Minissota for Dumba with salary retained (1.5millish) and a 6th pick. Minissota gets a local player and a 2c and Toronto gets a partner for Rielly. Was originally gonna try for Spurgeon (leafs would add) but just couldnt get the cap to work.In general, Minissota gets a 2nd Center who could do with a new team, Toronto gets a RHD, and Nashville gets a cheaper 3c to replace turris. As for who replaces kerfoot. Leafs make a seperate trade later.

So the lines would be like

Parise-Stall-Fiala
Krill-Turris-Zucurrelo
Greenway- Joel-Kunin
Folingo-Nico-Ryan


That's a bad deal for MN... Id rather just keep Dumba. Dumba was sensational the year he got injured (easily a top pairing player), this year it was all in his head but you could clearly see he still had it. I know Leafs fans think he's horrible defensively but that's not the case at all. When he's producing offense he's actually really good in his own zone, but this year he was trying to force plays in the offensive zone and it let to bad mistakes. Like I said, it was just all in his head this year.
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22 mai à 23 h 52
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Quoting: aadoyle
Leafs would probs say no unless all other attempts to get a RD failed. Leafs drafted Pateryn back in 2008 and he got traded for Grabovski. Great guy and player to bad he was in the wrong leafs era especially if paired with matthews. While I like Greenway (we have his bro in reserve) I just dont see Dubas moving Kapenan unless its makes the team better than it already is. Leafs have wing depth for days so I dont see Dubas making a trade for a wing. Its not a bad trade but from where I see it Dubas will probs be looking for a partner for Rielly


Leafs say no even if we fail to get a RHD. Just use a LHD.

Trading Kapanen for a 3rd pairing RHD would be a terrible mistake.
23 mai à 0 h 34
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What's happening bud, how ya been? This looks good to me!... I'd make the deal.
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23 mai à 0 h 47
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Quoting: TanSor
That's a bad deal for MN... Id rather just keep Dumba. Dumba was sensational the year he got injured (easily a top pairing player), this year it was all in his head but you could clearly see he still had it. I know Leafs fans think he's horrible defensively but that's not the case at all. When he's producing offense he's actually really good in his own zone, but this year he was trying to force plays in the offensive zone and it let to bad mistakes. Like I said, it was just all in his head this year.


I agree with you, however, I'd like to add that you're definitely right Dumba is better defensively than most give him credit for but he hasn't hit his peak, meaning there's still another level to his game especially defensively but he needs the right coach to get there. He needs a coach that will let him focus more on the defensive side of his game as his offensive game is already there then he can play the way we both know he can. Can he be the defensive stud we need?... Hell yes, but Keefe isn't the coach to let him and I can't see Minny moving him rn.

I like your initial proposal maybe a pick swap between the two teams where Tarana gets to move up a round but I like this trade for both teams and it seems like a move Dubas would make. As always, great proposal here.
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23 mai à 8 h 53
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I'd rather have Greenway than Kapanen for the bottom-6.
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23 mai à 9 h 06
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Quoting: wabit
I'd rather have Greenway than Kapanen for the bottom-6.


I really only made that trade since I still think we need a right shot forward. Both players are kind of a wash IMO, Kapanen is more proven but I think Greenway has more upside if he can hone his aggression.
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23 mai à 9 h 16
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Quoting: TanSor
I really only made that trade since I still think we need a right shot forward. Both players are kind of a wash IMO, Kapanen is more proven but I think Greenway has more upside if he can hone his aggression.


If we we're stuck with Zucc I'd be fine with this trade. We still have Boldy who will need a spot in a year or two (guessing he goes pro after his college season ends next year). At worst I think Greenway is a Foligno replacement in the bottom-6; he's not as physical, but he does have more skill. If the goal is to win a Cup MN will need guys like Foligno/Greenway to make it though all the Playoff games.
 
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