Why do the ducks want to keep Manson

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Créé par: Jack_

Équipe: 2019-20 Ducks d'Anaheim

Date de création initiale: 23 avr. 2020

Publié: 23 avr. 2020

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Hes almost 29 and hes starting to decline. Hes got two years left and the ducks wont be good for either of those two seasons. Signing him after his current contract expires wont be a good idea, he'll want term and he shouldn't get term. Keeping him makes no sense. They're rebuilding manson shouldn't be in their long term plans. If he is they could just resign him as a ufa. I almost guarantee they will trade him as a rental or next season so te team gets 1.5 years of him but they should just trade him now so they can get the best possible return.

Unless theres something I'm missing I dont understand why they would want to keep him. They could literally replace him with Cody Ceci and it wouldn't make a difference. They could sign ceci as a ufa and they would be better off then if they were to just keep manson.

The trade doesnt have much to do with this but I would like it to happen

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23 avr. 2020 à 16 h 19

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If he is no different than ceci, then just keep ceci.

23 avr. 2020 à 16 h 21

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1) we don’t want Ceci
2) we don’t need Kapanen
3) Kesler is on LTIR so there’s no need to move him
4) the only we’d accept for Manson is a prospect RHD or top scorer

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23 avr. 2020 à 16 h 22

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

If he is no different than ceci, then just keep ceci.

Theres a huge difference between the two. It shouldn't matter to the ducks tho. They'll be bad no matter what, I used ceci as an example but they could get anyone to play those minutes. The ducks will be bad with manson and even worse with ceci which is good for them.

23 avr. 2020 à 16 h 24

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Quoting: HadesOfSoCal

1) we don’t want Ceci
2) we don’t need Kapanen
3) Kesler is on LTIR so there’s no need to move him
4) the only we’d accept for Manson is a prospect RHD or top scorer

they wont get that for manson. Its dumb for them to get assets to help them now. What they should be doing us getting future assets

23 avr. 2020 à 16 h 24

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Quoting: Jack_

just because they aren't good doesn't mean they should give away players.

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23 avr. 2020 à 16 h 25

Stgstg55

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Quoting: Jack_

they wont get that for manson. Its dumb for them to get assets to help them now. What they should be doing us getting future assets

If it’s dumb than leafs fans should just give up cause clearly they don’t want to give the Ducks what they want for what the Leafs want.

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23 avr. 2020 à 16 h 27

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

just because they aren't good doesn't mean they should give away players.

Definitely not but from what I've read they want to keep him and I dont understand why they would at all. Selling him right now isnt a good idea because of the season hes had but they should give him 25 games of reasonably easy minutes that he can dominate and a team will overpay for him. Keeping him just to play those minutes seems so pointless and wasteful

23 avr. 2020 à 16 h 27

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Ceci is trash, Kesler is already on record stated that he's not waiving his NMC. Those pieces are nowhere near enough for Josh Manson. None of the pieces are of any benefit to Anaheim especially Cody Freaking Ceci.

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23 avr. 2020 à 16 h 28

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Quoting: HadesOfSoCal

If it’s dumb than leafs fans should just give up cause clearly they don’t want to give the Ducks what they want for what the Leafs want.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said at all. I said it would be stupid to keep him

23 avr. 2020 à 16 h 30

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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58

They dont need manson. They will be bad if he plays on the ducks or if he doesn't. Ceci gives them a far better chance at a high pick then manson would. High pick+future assets+ceci>manson and it isnt close. They dont have any need for him at all

23 avr. 2020 à 16 h 50

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The only explanation is that they're either stupid or think they are better than they are (which happens). It makes no sense for them to keep him basically for all the reasons you already said. With or without him they are likely not a playoff team for the remainder of his contract so it makes sense not only to recoup younger assets for him but also just commit to sucking, and therefore better your draft position and by extension your future.

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23 avr. 2020 à 17 h 9

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The same could be said for TOR keeping Marner. 33M locked up in 3 players isn’t how you compete in this league but leaf fans hate that idea.

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23 avr. 2020 à 17 h 19

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Quoting: Jah1722

The same could be said for TOR keeping Marner. 33M locked up in 3 players isn’t how you compete in this league but leaf fans hate that idea.

That isnt the same thing at all. That's not even in the same universe. That's like saying tampa bay will have to trade hedman because the weather in Australia is nice today.

On another level the leafs were something like a top 5 team in the league since Keefe took over so your point is invalid

23 avr. 2020 à 17 h 22

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Ducks dont "want" to keep or move him, like any team with any player they want an appropriate package that fills needs they have to move whomever

in this Manson to the Leafs case the reasonable ask is Liljegren and a 2nd, but it isnt a good example becuase it isnt a good trade fit seeing how badly both teams need RD

In General a B level prospect and a second is more than a reasonable ask

But Bob Murray is an old school GM and wont move him for that I feel becuase he loves Manson

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23 avr. 2020 à 17 h 29

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Quoting: Jack_

I thought the point you were trying to make was about winning a Stanley Cup? Guess not. My bad.

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23 avr. 2020 à 17 h 33

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Quoting: Jah1722

I thought the point you were trying to make was about winning a Stanley Cup? Guess not. My bad.

No. Anaheim will be bad with or without manson. The smartest thing for them to do is to trade him for the best return possible. At the draft or early on in the next season would be the best time to do that. From what I've read the ducks want to keep him and it's really pointless to do so

23 avr. 2020 à 17 h 39

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Because they don't have another RD in the system.

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23 avr. 2020 à 17 h 40

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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason

I'm surprised by this comment because I've grown accustomed to seeing intelligent insight from you. By the same token, Toronto isn't a serious playoff contender with that porous gong show you all so laughably call a defense for the balance of Freddie Andersen's contract, so why not commit to sucking and trading HIM while you can still get future assets for him?

Winning matters. You put the best team on the ice that you can. "Commit to sucking" and you end up like Arizona or Buffalo. It takes time to instill a tradition and expectation of winning, as all of your team's first-round exits shows. Your GM has a chance to "better your draft position and by extension your future" by simply keeping Patrick Marleau and your first-round draft pick this year and making some other adjustments, thereby insuring a much better team in 2021-2022. How come he didn't?

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23 avr. 2020 à 17 h 50

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Quoting: Jack_

Exactly. Your point is about winning a Stanley Cup. TOR won’t win paying 3 guys 33M.

23 avr. 2020 à 17 h 55

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“The Ducks wont be good for either of those two seasons.” “It shouldn’t matter to the Ducks tho. They’ll be bad no matter what.” “The Ducks will be bad with Manson and even worse with Ceci which is good for them.” “They will be bad if he plays on the Ducks or if he doesn’t.” Your hatred for the Ducks, and your outsize unhappiness that Anaheim won’t give you Manson on your terms, shines through virtually every comment you make about the Ducks or Manson or Toronto’s feckless defense. Wah, wah, wah. Stop whining like a petulant sissy throwing a tantrum at not getting what you want. Winning matters, and learning how takes time. With Manson, we’ll have a good chance of winning a playoff series before you do.

23 avr. 2020 à 17 h 57

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Quoting: AFOX10900

Because they don't have another RD in the system.

They can literally sign anyone. Sacrificing good future assets just because they need someone to play is pointless

23 avr. 2020 à 17 h 59

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Quoting: Jack_

They can literally sign anyone. Sacrificing good future assets just because they need someone to play is pointless

Yes, just sign anyone to fill a first pair and great leadership role, that easy, you can just find them on the streets

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23 avr. 2020 à 18 h 7

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Quoting: AFOX10900

Yes, just sign anyone to fill a first pair and great leadership role, that easy, you can just find them on the streets

I can't WAIT to hear his caterwauling when Pietrangelo signs elsewhere. "Why Did He Decide to Play Elsewhere?" will be the Team Title. I can already hear the sniffling.

23 avr. 2020 à 18 h 7

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Lmao I dont hate the ducks at all. I've got a few friends who are big ducks fans and I watch them whenever I can. Sure I would love manson but there are better, cheaper options. All the comments I made are true. I dont care who they trade him to but the smart move would be to trade him keeping him is the stupidest thing they can do.

Jesus christ dude, I dont even know what to say. I'm not sure who hurt you but not everyone is like that. There are lots of fish in the sea, you will find someone else.

You're comment about winning a series with Manson is great though. The ducks wont be near the playoffs for the next few season. His contract expires in two seasons and they'll be a lottery team for both. Keeping manson to be a 27th place team instead of being in 28th or 29th is absolutely insane

23 avr. 2020 à 18 h 10

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

The leafs should be trading Andersen this offseason.

The difference between the two situations is the leafs are a very good team and the ducks are a very bad team. I'm not sure if you realized but teams are able to rebuild without becoming Edmonton or buffalo. Stop comparing apples and oranges

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