They dont need a first pairing defenseman. They're a bottom 5 team with him. If hes such a great leader they can resign him when they need a leader. They can literally put anyone there. They are a team that should be tanking. They could honestly put backes there and it wouldnt matter because they suck anyways

Keep your childish efforts at psychoanalysis to yourself -- you're just not intellectually fit for it. It only makes you look even worse.

You're having a battle of wits with the proverbial unarmed child. It annoys me to see you waste your time trying to reason with this dolt.

Ok, so when they're ready to compete in 2-3 years... Who's gonna be there... They still don't have an RD, if they stay at 5, they shouldn't (and likely won't, GMBM generally drafts BPA) go for Drysdale, so if they get Grans or Niemela at 31, they aren't gonna be ready to play top pair by the time the rest of the core can compete, Manson would still be the best option there, and they need the leadership now, they have Zegras Jones Mahura Larsson Guhle Steel Terry Comtois Lundestrom all competing for roster spots next year... Plus once you trade a guy away it's not usually so easy to just oh sign them back anytime, what if TOR extends him, what if he gets a bigger offer somewhere else, then you're without your best RD and best leader in the defense (imo at least) going in to compete

??? I ask a valid question and all of a sudden I'm childish because ducks fans dont like the answer? That makes absolutely no sense

I feel the same about you with respect to what follows this line in your comment. Though I suppose you are defending your team from insult so it's understandable.



Toronto is very clearly a playoff contender with that defense considering they are in a playoff spot with 12-ish games remaining in the season despite missing both Muzzin and Rielly for significant stretches. They could use an upgrade on the right, of course, but 'gong-show' is an exaggeration. Why would they commit to sucking when they don't suck? They committed to sucking when they did suck and it's made them much better. I'm actually not opposed to trading Andersen if they could return somebody else cheaper because I don't think it's the best idea to keep him. He'll be too old and too expensive.



'Putting the best team on the ice that you can no matter what' is a philosophy that will get you stuck in never ending mediocrity. The Leafs are a good example of that. Burke/Nonis thought the team was better than it was and made moves that reflected that. It led to some bad years. Once the Leafs front office (Shanahan mainly) decided, 'hey, we aren't good enough and we're going to rebuild' and committed to sucking, it didn't take too long to turn things around. Just look at the last 10 years of Cup teams. What do they all have in common? Players selected at the top, top end of the draft - Elite talent. Rebuilding or 'committing to sucking' is a proven method of future success. All I'm suggesting is that the Duck's should take that route.

The Marleau comment makes absolutely no sense, and you know it. You're smart, you're just upset. If the Leafs kept Marleau they would absolutely not be better in 2021-22.

The leafs probably wont trade for him but no matter where he goes his next contract will not be good. Maybe he wants to stay in Anaheim. There will be other options on the market if they cant get manson. He'll be 31 but the time his new contract begins, giving a 31 year old defenseman term (which he will want) is one of the worst things an up and coming team could do. At that age he'll only have a year or two of being a top pairing defenseman (if he still even is) at that point

Whatever, we'll agree to disagree on all the points I previously made... Look at a ducks depth chart... RN the only needs are RD, and a high end scoring forward (which they're not going to get for Manson alone)... It doesn't really make sense for another team to trade a prospect RHD(likely+) for Manson, and that's all the ducks want... They already have too many middle 6 forwards and LD, and Gibson+Dostal in net long term...

Did you not notice that Toronto is 27th in the League in goals allowed? And that Anaheim gave up effectively the same number, although in one more game?

You really think that 2020 first-round pick wouldn't make a difference two seasons from now? You guys must draft really badly. Robertson was just an accident?

I can certainly understand why Ducks, who don't have replacement would trade Manson. But I don't understand why so many think Manson is such a difference maker now.

Yes, I did notice that, and I, as well as most who watch the Leafs, understand that it's more an issue of team defense than defensive personnel. Again, they could use an upgrade, but without more commitment from the forwards, the best 'defensive Dman' in the league wouldn't solve their issues; though it would help, obviously.

Late first round picks often don't make the NHL after one more season of development and it's even less often that they make a legitimate impact in their rookie year. Let's also not forget the cap implications of that move. Without trading him, how do they sign Marner? Either they bridge him (He wanted like $8m+ on a bridge) or they trade out significant pieces. Or potentially both. They wouldn't be better in 2021-22.

Hes 29 and not getting any younger. Hes got maybe 2 years of being a top pair defenseman, 3 if hes extremely lucky. His next contract will not be good. Keeping him after his contract isnt a smart move, there will be a dumb team willing to overpay him

I would prefer just to give away Johnsson for cap space and then sign UFA Dman....who is likely cheaper than 4.1 Manson. This way Liljegren or Kapanen or whatever it takes to acquire Manson remain Leafs

@OldNYIfan Y'know what, I want to extend an olive branch here because reflecting on our conversation I feel that things got a little hostile and I don't like that. I should not have said that they would be stupid not to trade Manson; it is important to make sure that your young stars don't walk into a new environment and immediately get curb stomped. They should keep some guys, not just sell the farm. However, it is my unwavering opinion that if the Ducks keep Manson through his contract and fail to make the playoffs, it will have been a mistake. Fair?

Absolutely fair. Now that's the kind of opinion on which we can agree to differ; certainly either one of us could come over to the "opposite side" two years down the line. However, I don't think I will ever be converted to the idea that losing is a good move. In the 1970's I was in business with one of the world's great contract bridge professionals, and he told me something I'll never forget: I've lost a lot of matches I expected to win, but I've never won a match I expected to lose. Planning to lose, and accepting losing, is, well, a losing proposition.

I'm sorry if anything I said to you came across as hostile. (To the OP is a different matter.) I will be the first to admit that sometimes I can be a grouchy old fart. I respect your insight, knowledge and opinion and I flatter myself that you give mine some weight, too. I did not construe anything you said as objectionable in the slightest.

Hostile was maybe the wrong word to use. It just got a little heated. Glad we could respectfully come down on two different sides of an opinion.

I think "hostile" was fine. It certainly helped defuse the situation.

“Why do the Ducks want to keep Manson?”

Then YOU go and trade for him
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You really are the worst poster on here
Pathetic

That makes absolutely no sense

If he’s declining to the point that the Ducks don’t want him,
then why would YOU?

Your hypocrisy is easily detectable
It’s not rocket science

Because hes still got 2 or 3 good years left. Those two years will be on a tanking team. Maybe you should think about something before wasting everyone's time posting

1- i missed where the Ducks said they were tanking

2- IF they were, then they should be moving a lot more guys than just Manson, which is all you did

Stick to not knowing about your sh!tty team,
no one else wants u on their pages

It’s why your BS gets CONSTANTLY roasted 😂

I would hope they are tanking because if they are trying to win they are doing a really ****ty job of doing so. They should be moving most guys but my question was why they wanted to keep manson so much. He doesnt help them in any way and they could get a bunch of assets for him. You should probably stop with your ****ty assumptions. Theres a reason everyone else besides Sabres fans roast you and your fellow fans

U get roasted here more than anyone I’ve ever seen!
Stick to the Leafs posts kiddo

I dont really but if you think I do then its because I'm not saying exactly what they want to hear.