Go for it.

I think its just criminal how you think 6 years of Connor, an ELEC d man, and a top4 D man is worth 1 year of Hamilton and a bunch of throw ins.

You do know that Connor a perennial 30 goal scorer right?
This would be Hamilton's 4th team before he is even UFA.

I can switch Dzingel with a good draft pick. I tend to grade out Dzingel as worth a 2nd round pick in the trade market. I just thought that Winnipeg wants to win now and could use some good depth scoring. This is specifically designed to be a deal between 2 win-now teams to address roster weaknesses.

No, did you read the whole thing? The deal is for 9 years of Hamilton. Canes are not trading him unless an extension is in place before the deal. A rental Hamilton is probably worth the Karlsson package to the Sharks, hindsight of the Sharks' bad season excluded. A long-term Hamilton alone is worth Connor and Pionk.

The Hamilton contract you proposed is hugely unrealistic.
Didnt he just come off a season where he had serious injury?

I am not sure even Seth Jones right now would get the contract you proposed.

Let me put it this way: if Hamilton's deal is anywhere around Josi's 8x9 or less, I would enthusiastically sign that check and make him a Cane for life. I still would sign him, albeit with some qualms, if it's around 8x10. I very much doubt that it will be the case, though. I expect Pietrangelo, IMO a near-equivalent to Hamilton except in his age-30 season, to get a 7x11 from some desperate club this UFA.

Big time homer no point to even begin this discussion

Would need to be Necas or say Trocheck plus a mid round pick like a 4th or 5th instead of Dzingel, a 2nd doesn't do anything for the Jets at this point.

Yeah, one of Foegele or Trocheck and a mid-round pick would work. Necas IMO is a no-go. Foegele had a really good year last season and is IMO a candidate for a 5 year extension around the $3.5M range.

Game Score for individual games and RAPM in aggregate. If you count Game Score in aggregate, you're just really counting points lol...knowing how to use the tools is more important than the tools themselves..

Did Chevy love scheifele that much at draft or not care for Hamilton or coutiere, kinda got me wondering with all these Hamilton to wpg posts. Is anybody factoring in the broken leg, new day in age but still got to be a factor. Not sure if I like trading any young guy that commits to wpg longterm, but it would be nice to add to blueline from the top, rather than just developing prospect game.

Did you actually just say that Hamilton has the edge on Josi and Carlson? That is just not accurate at all. I do think you may get a dance partner with Ehlers and Samberg for Hamilton, but that would be as much I as i think he's worth. Also, I don't belive that he will ever get more than 7.5 per season. No team will give him 11+ that is for sure.

For me it'd have to be Necas, Trocheck or nothing, I see Foegele as a future Dzingel which wouldn't excite me at all as a Jets fan.

$7.5M?! If he really was willing to take that little, I would sign that check so enthusiastically that I don't know whether I would be able to contain myself! That would still leave us with a ton of room for Svech without relying on too many ELCs for depth.

Foegele is much better all-around than Dzingel is. He can score at a near 0.5 PPG while getting mostly PK and even-strength minutes.

Well compose yourself and get ready because he is not going to get more than that. Maaaaaaybe 8 tops but I cannot see that. Also keep in mind that the cap is probably going to go down when all is back to normal. So realistically, he will probably take a 1 or 2 year deal or around 5.5 to 6 till the league stabilizes again. Then we can all see if he rebounds from his leg injury and what his true value is, but he doesn't even make my top 10 for best dman in the NHL.

I think the cap will stay flat. The fundamentals of the economy are still good, there was just a major public health-related externality that caused the world to freeze for a couple of months (hopefully).

edmonton isnt giving up their best goalie prospect for a goalie that will just walk out in a year

Idk what their thoughts were back then and I didn't follow the draft as much as I did now or in my younger years but I think they made the right choice though Couturier would of been good too, really think getting a future 1C was the right choice with their first draft pick after the move to Winnipeg.

I honestly think that center is the most important and hardest position to fill and teams can get by with an average D core, you're not going anywhere with crappy/weak centers.

Also there were all those Hamilton for Ehlers trades in the summer and I was dead set against that idea then, still would be today and I would never make this trade proposed here.

Still think the defense issue is overblown for the Jets, having bottom 6 players that score at almost the same rate as the current bottom 6 Detroit Red Wings is the biggest issue and the easiest to fix.

Tell that to Eric Tulsky and Don Waddell LMAO! Sure, Hellebuyck helps a lot, but goalies are voodoo sometimes and you just don't know when a goalie will crap the bed all of a sudden like Cory Schneider did. That's why a brilliant defense is the best insurance policy.

Tell that to Waddell and Tulsky why?

And yeah goalies are voodoo but that's the way it is for all teams in any season.

Really Mrazek and Reimer are pretty decent goalies, if Carolina's brilliant defense wasn't enough with those two I'm not sure what else a team needs.

Every time I see a UFA-sign-and-trade I roll my eyes. It just doesn't happen in real life. If Hamilton won't re-sign with Carolina it's because he wants the ability to choose his own destination and /or explore the options on the open market. He won't be down for this type of transaction at all.

And from WPG's side, if Hamilton won't re-sign with CAR why would they throw a whole bunch of assets at him? They could (a) make a deal with CAR for the 1-year-rental at a much lower asset cost; (b) sign Hamilton as a UFA at zero asset cost; or (c) both.

There's not a single defenseman who is worth that kind of money.

Ya I don’t make that deal either, my point was more that jets went rather off the board for scheifele at 7 with those guys sitting there, and if they loved Hamilton I’m sure they take him and trade back into first for scheifele, hindsight would have been quite a draft. I believe scheifele was ranked late 20s not to say somebody else would have drafted him in top 15 or 20 and jets lose out.

Nonsense. Pageau just happened this deadline! The Faulk deal was done right before the start of the season. How about Mark Stone, Max Pacioretty, or Nick Jensen? It's becoming more and more commonplace over the last few years because when teams really covet a player, they want to be the first one to get their hands on them before the open market can go nuts on them. As long as teams are offering market value for their services and the team is good, there's no reason for players to not agree to such an arrangement.

None of those guys were signed and then traded. They were all re-signed by their new teams after they were traded.