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Sagecoll

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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 4 minutes
Sujet: Sick of these Eichel trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>I get that, but it still doesn’t change the fact that I don’t want Eichel. I’d take Barzal or Aho over him as well. At least you know those guys can perform in the playoffs. Eichel is a straight gamble that I wouldn’t take.</div></div>

I mean Eichel's a better player than both of them. It's pretty easy to see in a lot of ways, but if you have trouble of separating player from teammate impact, this could help (notice the player vs. teammates). It's glaring. The good part about all this is that you still keep Panarin and the young core, so it's not a 1 man show.

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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 50 minutes
Sujet: Sick of these Eichel trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>I’d rather not do that for Eichel. Barkov yes. McDavid yes. Drasaitl yes. Matthews yes. Point yes. And obviously MacKinnon yes. I’m not sold on Eichel being the key. Those others I’d do it for in a heartbeat.</div></div>

Sure I mean those are all great players. The thing is team control. Eichel has 5 more years of team control yet. Barkov hits UFA after next year. McDavid has 5 but isn't going anywhere. Drai has 4 years. Matthews has 3. Mac has 2. Point needs another contract after next year that will undoubtedly pay him more than what Eichel makes now.

I'm not saying Eichel is better than any of those guys. Though he's in the same tier as a few of them. But the longer you can hold your 1C and not have to resign or worry about losing them the better. Combine that with the relatively cheap cost to acquire, and it just makes sense.

Finding 1C's is really hard. Finding 1C's that are young and cost controlled is near impossible. You take those opportunities whenever you can. This is essentially a matter of swapping an aging 1C for a younger one.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 1 heure
Sujet: Sick of these Eichel trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>delneggs</b></div><div>Let the price go where it goes.....JUST SAY NO TO ALL EICHEL TRADES.</div></div>

I mean I'm with you in terms of the typical stuff here. Rangers probably won't have to pay <em>any</em> of Laff, Kakko, Chytil, K'Andre, Fox, Igor, Lundkvist, Kravtsov.

But If I told you all you'd have to pay to swap Mika with Eichel is a mid 1st in a crummy draft and a RHD in Schneider, who would be a 3rd pair guy at best in NY because he's blocked by Fox/Lundkvist. You wouldn't do that? You'd be insane not to do that.

You want to watch Mika slow down at 33 while paying him 10 mil and realize he still has 3 more years left on his deal? You remember how things felt earlier this season? Here's your opportunity to get younger. Take it.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 1 heure
Sujet: Sick of these Eichel trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>Where are you getting 2 1sts for Mika cause that won’t happen? Even if Mika isn’t resigned I’d rather take my chances in the draft then spend $10 mil for Eichel and lose 4 1st or equivalent of value. 1 guy won’t get us to the cup. It’s delusional to think Eichel is the difference here.</div></div>

lol you'd be out of your mind to think Mika wouldn't get a 1st + A level prospect this offseason. He's averaging 89 points over the last 2 seasons while PKing and playing top level D. He'd be the best C traded in a long long time. He's a better player than Duchene, ROR, Lindholm, etc. Even going back to guys like a young Jeff Carter or Mike Richards, he's better than that. So yeah he'll get the equivalent of 2 1sts. How much more? tbd.

Again, you wouldn't be spending 10 mil for Eichel and lose 4 1sts.

You'd spend 5 mil more for 1 year and then 0 more than you would if you had resigned Mika. And the cost to have someone slightly better than Mika in his 20's vs. watching Mika break down in his 30's while paying the same cap is just a 1st + Schneider... you'd be crazy not to do that..

But then again you're talking about finding a 1C late in the draft so maybe that makes sense lol.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 2 heures
Sujet: Sick of these Eichel trades
i mean to extend Mika is going to cost about 9.5 x 7 to <em>start</em> the conversation (you have the guy who just signed Trouba and Kreider doing the negotiations so any notion of a "home town deal" is a ****ing joke) So the cap hits between Mika and Eichel are negligible long term.

As for the offer, Eichel's cost is what 4 1sts. Trading Mika to a 3rd team nets you at least 2 1st equivalents, and then add like Schneider and our own 1st and that should get you Eichel.

So the question now becomes "Would you pay a 1st and Schneider to swap the value of Mika's age 30-36 seasons for Eichel's age 25-30 seasons"? If you know anything about aging curves, that's a rhetorical question. So yeah an Eichel trade makes a lot of sense for the Rangers. Fortunately the price is going down not up.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 10 heures