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Everyone signed 10 mill over the cap

Créé par: jasalex
Date de création initiale: jan 23, 2020
Publié: Jan 24 at 10:14 am
Équipe: 2020-21 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Explications
Will Sergachev, or Cirelli get offer sheets higher than 4.9 million? Is Rutta worth more than 1.5 million (played surprisingly well)? Who goes? We need to clear 11 million in cap space.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Cirelli, Anthony34 900 000 $
Sergachev, Mikhail34 900 000 $
Joseph, Mathieu1800 000 $
Colton, Ross1800 000 $
Masin, Dominik1800 000 $
Stephens, Mitchell2900 000 $
Verhaeghe, Carter2900 000 $
Yan, Dennis1700 000 $
Volkov, Alexander2950 000 $
Cernak, Erik33 000 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Maroon, Patrick11 000 000 $
Rutta, Jan21 500 000 $
Rachats de contrats
  • Vincent Lecavalier: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TBL
VAN
TBL
TBL
TBL
DET
TBL
OTT
TBL
2021
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
NSH
NJD
2022
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 000 000 $93 216 666 $0 $500 000 $-10 216 666 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TBL
Palat, Ondrej
5 300 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Point, Brayden
6 750 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
9 500 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 7
TBL
Killorn, Alex
4 450 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 3
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
4 900 000 $
C
RFA
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
8 500 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 4
TBL
Volkov, Alexander
950 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
TBL
Johnson, Tyler
5 000 000 $
AG, C, AD
NTC
UFA - 4
TBL
Stephens, Mitchell
900 000 $
C
RFA
TBL
Maroon, Patrick
1 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
1 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
TBL
Verhaeghe, Carter
900 000 $
C, AG
RFA
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TBL
Hedman, Victor
7 875 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Rutta, Jan
1 500 000 $
DD
UFA
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
9 500 000 $
G
UFA - 8
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
6 750 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 6
TBL
Foote, Cal
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
1 300 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
4 900 000 $
DG
RFA
TBL
Cernak, Erik
3 000 000 $
DD
RFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TBL
Masin, Dominik
800 000 $
D
RFA
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
5 166 666 $
AD, AG, C
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Coburn, Braydon
1 700 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 1

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24 jan à 10 h 18
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And people say TO is in cap hell
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24 jan à 10 h 18
#2
exo2769
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Not just $10M over, but you have Serg and Cirelli taking discounts.
24 jan à 10 h 19
#3
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Yes on Sergachev no on Cirelli
24 jan à 10 h 20
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KovalchukFor2RDP
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goude killorn palat johnson 3 moved
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24 jan à 10 h 20
#5
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Trade kuch and gourde
24 jan à 10 h 20
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Lenny7
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
And people say TO is in cap hell


Was just going to say something along these lines. I get that TSN is Toronto-centric, but Tampa is a much bigger story.

Though, when I'm thinking about it, if they talked about Tampa, it would just be Tampa players rumored to be going to Toronto, so maybe it's best to be kept hush-hush hahahaha.

Easy to see why Stevie Y took the first flight out tears of joy
24 jan à 10 h 21
#7
Burgers and Hockey
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I'd suggest signing Cirelli, Sergachev and Cernak to bridge deals. Maybe $3,33M for 3 years for Cirelli (like Johnson), $3,25M for 2 years for Sergachev (like Nurse) and $2,85M for 2 years for Cernak (like Carlo). And do this immediately before the draft in order to prevent offer sheets.
24 jan à 10 h 23
#8
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Yeah well decide who you need to move and then call detroit and we'll make it work. 8 million dollars for 5 and 6 dmen seems too much. You have to lose someone.
24 jan à 10 h 23
#9
The evil stats guy
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
And people say TO is in cap hell


It is almost like all of the good team are, to some extent.
Hell over half the ****ing league is within 2M of the cap.
24 jan à 10 h 24
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Quoting: Lenny7
Was just going to say something along these lines. I get that TSN is Toronto-centric, but Tampa is a much bigger story.

Though, when I'm thinking about it, if they talked about Tampa, it would just be Tampa players rumored to be going to Toronto, so maybe it's best to be kept hush-hush hahahaha.

Easy to see why Stevie Y took the first flight out tears of joy


This is the year for Tampa to go all in, they may never have a better chance. They will have to move out 2 of Palat, Killorn and Johnson this offseason and replace with ELC's and I doubt anyone is going to do them favours by taking those guys. There are only so many Bennings out there that like to bail out other teams.
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24 jan à 10 h 25
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Quoting: Random2152
It is almost like all of the good team are, to some extent.
Hell over half the ****ing league is within 2M of the cap.


Every good team is close to the cap. Many have a lot of bad contracts as well. TO has one that is done after this season. They are fine.
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24 jan à 10 h 26
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The evil stats guy
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
I'd suggest signing Cirelli, Sergachev and Cernak to bridge deals. Maybe $3,33M for 3 years for Cirelli (like Johnson), $3,25M for 2 years for Sergachev (like Nurse) and $2,85M for 2 years for Cernak (like Carlo). And do this immediately before the draft in order to prevent offer sheets.


I think Serg will come in a bit higher no? Closer to the Werenski deal I would think. Maybe 3@4.25 ish.
I am a stats guy so I know how good Cirelli is (he should win the selke), what I don't know is if his agent will be able to translate that into a bigger contract due to how that kind of hype works, so maybe your projection is right, but it could be WAY low. He could go as high as 6@7 I think, or 3@5 if his agent is good at his job.
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24 jan à 10 h 28
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Lenny7
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
This is the year for Tampa to go all in, they may never have a better chance. They will have to move out 2 of Palat, Killorn and Johnson this offseason and replace with ELC's and I doubt anyone is going to do them favours by taking those guys. There are only so many Bennings out there that like to bail out other teams.


Man, those boys in Tampa signed their own death certificates with all of the NMC/NTC's that they handed out. Palat and Killorn seem like the easiest to move, given that both are modified this summer, but yeah, tough situation.
24 jan à 10 h 28
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Quoting: Random2152
I think Serg will come in a bit higher no? Closer to the Werenski deal I would think. Maybe 3@4.25 ish.
I am a stats guy so I know how good Cirelli is (he should win the selke), what I don't know is if his agent will be able to translate that into a bigger contract due to how that kind of hype works, so maybe your projection is right, but it could be WAY low.


TB has good history with signing their assets for cheap bridge deals. Even Nikita F*cking Kucherov was signed for less than what is suggested for Sergachev here, with the same term.
I'd probably get $3,8M but I'd say that's the maximum.
24 jan à 10 h 28
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24 jan à 10 h 29
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
I'd suggest signing Cirelli, Sergachev and Cernak to bridge deals. Maybe $3,33M for 3 years for Cirelli (like Johnson), $3,25M for 2 years for Sergachev (like Nurse) and $2,85M for 2 years for Cernak (like Carlo). And do this immediately before the draft in order to prevent offer sheets.


Using signings from years ago when the cap was lower doesnt work.
24 jan à 10 h 29
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Quoting: Lenny7
Man, those boys in Tampa signed their own death certificates with all of the NMC/NTC's that they handed out. Palat and Killorn seem like the easiest to move, given that both are modified this summer, but yeah, tough situation.


Both have term and are over paid. Will not be easy to move. Especially since there are not a lot of teams with much cap space
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24 jan à 10 h 29
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Cap will be higher, killorn has modified clause so he goes, I dont know who else.

This is why you dont hand out mega deals to goalies
24 jan à 10 h 31
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Using signings from years ago when the cap was lower doesnt work.


Whatever. Just use the same cap percentage to reflect the value's of those contracts...
24 jan à 10 h 42
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RFA signings have been happening later and later around the league (heck look at Point last year) that may give them time to work things a bit under the cap. They will need to move at least one of Johnson or Gourde. Both have NTC's but you see if they will waive. Gourde is going to cost a ton to offload, would a first rounder even cover it?

I could see them moving out Sergachev as well. Yes he's good and young but you can't afford to pay that to a third pairing D and he's not going to move up in the lineup anytime soon. Maybe package him with Gourde to save yourself? It's a rough setup for sure.

This is the team the Leafs need to learn from IMO. Pay your top guys what you need to but do not overpay bottom-6 forwards and bottom pair dmen. Or your goalie.
24 jan à 10 h 47
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
And people say TO is in cap hell


Toronto is in cap hell this year, when healthy they cant even run a 22 man team. As for Tampa, everyone knows they are screwed next year and something has to change
24 jan à 10 h 50
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Can I just ask what happened to Gourde? Wasnt he good a year or two ago
24 jan à 10 h 59
#23
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Quoting: TheDime99
Can I just ask what happened to Gourde? Wasnt he good a year or two ago


He is on the fourth line because of our depth. Most teams he would be third line, maybe second playing 17 minutes. He getting around 11 minutes. Two years ago he was playing with skilled players where he went out front and banged in goals. He does not have that opportunity this year and it has effected his confidence, which is a snowball effect.
24 jan à 11 h 02
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Quoting: exo2769
Not just $10M over, but you have Serg and Cirelli taking discounts.


Sergechev = McAvoy contract. But I do see him getting an offer sheet at a higher value and taking it. He wants prime time and he sits behind Hedman and McDonah.
24 jan à 11 h 02
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Toronto is in cap hell this year, when healthy they cant even run a 22 man team. As for Tampa, everyone knows they are screwed next year and something has to change


The 22 man roster hasn't been a problem thus far. Although with the amount of injuries they've had, there hasn't been many nights were they have had issues with having health scratches. They've been able to put a sizeable chunk of change on LTIR for most of the season.
 
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