Quality > Quantity

To get a guy like Jones (Top 5 RHD in the NHL, and extremely affordable contract), you have to give up something that you absolutely don't want to give up.

Weird way to spell auston Matthews

He did, Lily and the 2021 1st, both would be incredibly hard for the Leafs brass to give

Ok, let's flip this around-Keeping in mind that Jones > Reilly, what would you say to:

Reilly for Jenner(Johnsson), Foudy (Lily), Dubinsky 50% retained (Ceci), MacInnis (Bracco), top 15 protected 2021 1st.

You'd say no.

None of those players are needs, my point is this CBJ is not shopping Jones - Leafs could certainly use Jones but the certainly do not need him - they are in fact a contender and a playoff without Jones - where CBJ is niether with Jones. Jones would only be shopped if CBJ is concerned about their ability to re-sign Jones (they should be concerned) or if they are entertaining a full scale re-build

Who would have guessed that CBJ, playing in a much tougher division, and after losing Panarin, Duchene, Dzingle and Bob, would be sitting 2 points out of a wildcard spot, and 4 points back of the Leafs. Crazy that a contender would only be up 4 pts on them through 44 games. Wild. Columbus should burn it all down

Jones would cost Nylander plus or Marner. A grab bag of lesser pieces isn’t going to cut it. A lot of teams could match that if that was the case and aJones was indeed available

That is just ridiculous. I would bet a lot of money they you think Rielly is worth a quarter what Jones is as well. Just anti leaf nonsense. When a trade is posted that is obviously not good, like the one above, posting a response that is as equally insane doesn't make one look smart, just petty and emotional.

Werenski's having a better season

This has been posted multiple times that a top 5 dman on terms of value usually means a quality return and not the garbage posted above

A super elite franchise centre is the most valuable asset in hockey. This is a well known fact. Jones is not worth Matthews. That was just a joke. By your reasoning, Rielly is worth Eichel.

Jones value>riellys value

Leaf fan here... It would definitely take more than what the OP offered. It's trades like this that make us all look bad. A trade for Jones starts with either Marmer, Matthews (although that's as unlikely as Jarmo trading Jones right now) or Nylander and Sandin. Some of us get that other teams aren't lining up to help us and won't give us their good players for scraps.

Matthew would cost Jones and Dubios at least. Further to that, the Leafs wouldn't do it. Jones is great but a super elite franchise centre is worth more than anything else in the game.

But if Jones is worth Matthews then Rielly is worth Eichel because Matthews is better than Eichel. But since it's the Leafs we are talking about that of course is going to be denied and something stupid like Matthews is just a 2C who is over paid is going to be thrown out likely.

Delusional

And my point is proven. Eichel is terrific but Matthews is better and younger. Jones is terrific and it's debatable who's better since Rielly is far better offensively while Jones is better defensively. Only one of the two have finished 5th in Norris voting last year. But of course the Leaf players are worse because you don't like the team. Crystal clear bud.

Matthews wouldn't get both but I agree he wouldn't be going the other way in a Jones trade. But seriously Rielly and Jones would be the best D pair in the league IMO and I'd be willing to pay a steep price for him. Maybe Andersen could be part of it if we pull off another move for a goalie like the one you posted yesterday! Hypothetically would you trade Nylander and Andersen for Jones and Anderson if Jarmo would agree to that deal or something like it?

I would say a super elite goalie is the most valuable asset in hockey vs. "a super elite franchise center" who doesn't play a great 2 way game..respectable maybe but not great. He is one of the best goal scorers though. However, I would argue Matthews is not super elite to the likes of Crosby yet and may never be.

I disagree completely, there is a lot of evidence to suggest paying a goalie too much is a mistake. Look at Price for example and compare him to Andersen. Let's say they are close to equal right now but Andersen makes less than half. That gives TO another 5.5 million they can use for Muzzin or someone else.

As for Matthews, I am not saying he's as good as Crosby or McDavid but he's elite and he's only 22. He's only going to get better. And that is very much more valuable than Jones.

Disagree on goalie being the most important position and comparing a injured and older Price past his prime to a middle tier goalie like Andersen or Matthews contract doesn't make a lot of sense. That said, the goalie market isn't as competitive as competitive and you see that from the year over year lack of consistency of the best goalies in the league. How many goalies in the league could you call elite year over year? Please don't say Andersen. You can say Matthews, Crosby, Ovy, Kane, McKinnon, etc. are elite year over year...a very rare thing for a goalie. Hardest position to be elite and bottom line, not a bunch of kids start out wanting to be goalie which is part of the problem. But for one position on the ice, it's the single most important position that will win games for a team.

This convo is pointless, Andersen a second tier goalie. Lol

Nobody said 2nd tier, I said Andersen isn't elite. He is good, but not elite. Is he a top 3 goalie YoY? Is he even a top 5 goalie YoY? If he is that is elite. Elite goalies don't give up with Andersen did on the first 2 goals last night, with the first one comical.

You are not worth discussing anything further.