No they aren’t and no it doesn’t look bad.

give him $6.9M and he will sign for sure

His agent has stated that he and Rantanen believe they're a comparable to Marner. Most of the hockey world believes Rantanen is better than Marner.

And they're offering him a long term team that buys up UFA years at 8.75

Yeah, that looks bad.

What?

Most people believe Mikko Rantanen is a better player than Mitch Marner.

Who? And he is not lol

if they use an overpaid player like marner as a comparable then sakic should use an underpaid player like pastrnak as a comparable. Rantanen has no business making 11 per year

Should make more than 9 though.

That doesn't look bad at all. That looks a lot better than 10.5+

i agree. i think 9.5 is fair

This news is actually not bad from my perspective. I thought they were offering something like 10.5 and he was turning it down. I was, and still am, totally fine with a contract in the 9.75 range and from what we are hearing, they are offering contracts much lower than that, which means that a reasonable contract is probably what he ends up signing. 8.5 for a guy that has put up 84 and 87 point seasons is a totally fair contract, I don't care how much Toronto decided to overpay Marner, but I am also fine with something closer to 10 if it means locking him down for 7 years.

Only thing that looks bad is you making claims false claims about the hockey world.

Also saying he should get 9.5 and being upset that COL offered 8.75 isn’t a good look either. It’s a negotiation.

But that is not even a fair comparison to make right now...... Pastrnak signed that contract in 2017 and did after only one 70 point season under his belt......... If he had signed that deal this year than by all means but he didn't.

Choose players that signed lowish contracts this year to make a fair comparison. Meier got 6M for one 60 point season. Keller got a 7.15M contract extension for one 60 point season. Rantanen at 9.5 isn't a happy medium. His point totals are higher than almost anyone elses the past 10-20 years other than players like McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, etc during their first 240 games under the age of 23.

Rantanen can choose to take less but he certainly doesn't have to. He's earned 10M/ year EASILY.

The biggest difference is that COL doesnt want to pay him so much more than Mac, Im guessing he gets 9.1ish

they arent low balling him, when you consider

Rantanen 239gm 80g 129a 209pts aav????
Marner 241gm 67g 157a 225pts aav 10.983m
Aho 242gm 83g 114a 197pts aav 8.454m

Its the bottom of what they are trying to do as a comp....Aho under valued himself signing that offersheet and Leafs over paid for marner. Shocker they will meet int he middle when the smoke clears

false, false, false.
Its not paying more than Mack, its making sure they dont make life harder on themselves with, Landy, Makar, Jost, Grubi contracts up in 2 years, Kadri up in 3, Mack up in 4, Its making sure they give them the best chance of keep all their own

thats the point... Im just exaggerating how absurd it is to use marners overpayment as a comparable...

His point totals are inflated by the increase in scoring. Look at last year - over 30 player scored at or above a point per game pace compared to 3,4,5 years ago when there was under 10

youre a montreal fan who doesnt have a very strong grasp on whats going on with this and the Avs, to be honest you are the only one who is saying this looks bad bc you are trying to create something out of nothing

I'll trust the media outlets at TSN and Sportsnet, etc over people on AGM who think they know what they're talking about. LOL

Marner's contract is an overpayment. I'm not sure where people are confusing me saying it isn't. Simply pointing out comparisons based on scoring/age/historical data and Marner whether you like it or is a comparison now that he signed that contract. It may be the high end of the spectrum but it is a comparison.

I can agree with this. My point is that just because he is a comparable doesn't mean that he is a good comparable.

The irony is you don’t know what you’re talking about. No one thinks he’s being lowballed and no one is upset besides you.

Players salaries shouldn't be based on team comparable but league comparables. Aho signed 8.45 X 5, now even if that was an underpay Matthews and Marner are overpays.
shmoeman above suggested 9.1m. That might be fair, if any player, agent, team wants to fair in negotiations.

By that same token, anyone making in the 8-9M range isn't quite either though. There are only a handful of players in the NHL who have produced as much as Rantanen has during that same age period. He and Marner are trend setters unfortunately. That is why its causing such a rift. The guys GM's are pointing to didn't produce as much as Mikko has. The player Mikko's agent is using is the guy who has similar production and just signed a over payment. Finding the happy medium will come down to one team willing to take a knee and just signing already. If its Rant, he'll get Draisaitl money. If its Sakic, it'll be 10M range.

the reason that there arent many players that have produced as much as rantanen at a young age is because scoring has gone up league wide. 3 years ago there were under 10 players who scored at a point per game rate, compared to over 30 players last season... Young players score at a point per game pace and then try to directly compare their points to someone elses points from a time period in which scoring was way lower.

Draisaitl scored 77 points in 82 games (0.94P/GP) the season before his 8.5M deal (11.33% of cap at the time) kicked in. That placed him 10th in the entire league in points per game (among players who played more than 30 games).

Rantanen scored 87 points in 74 games (1.18P/GP) last season. That placed him 12th in the entire league in points per game (among players who played more than 30 games).

Rantanen can argue that he is way better than Draisaitl by taking points per game completely out of context and comparing 1.18 to 0.94 directly, but if you put it in context they are very similar. If you adjust for the increase in scoring I think Draisaitl's deal is very comparable for Rantanen. Drai's 11.33% of the cap translates to 9.23M.

Draisaitl's deal isnt a lowball for Rantanen. Its right on the money.