I think Jost has much more value than Kapanen.

The leafs said they wouldn't trade Nylander. But even if they did, they have to do it due to cap issues and don't have bargaining power. I feel like they aren't getting a 1st for him in most trades due to that, idc how good he is.

Johnsson will either sign a short cheap contract so that money at 2 years, or a long more expensive one like 6-8 years a 4.5-5.5m

I agree that it is likely an overpay for Nylander but I bet Leaf fans will say it isn't enough As for the others, I feel like Jost and Kapanen have the same value but if the Leafs have to toss in a pick as well then so be it. You could be right about Johnsson's contract.

I'm glad to see someone else feels the same way. Marner's always the one working his butt off to get the play going so I think he definitely deserves more than Matthews

It's only 1 game but pretty interesting use of Marner in game 1.

He got 66% of his starts in the DZone. Which I thought was rather odd.

Matthews got 66% in the offensive zone.

But the corsi numbers are pretty unreal. Marner was 60% and Toronto's best player, which frankly looked it on the ice. But after him, there wasn't much. The rest of that line was a 54-3% Corsi.
The Mathews line was abysmal at 30 some % Corsi. They were feasted upon.

Gardiner and Dermott couldn't get off the ice fast enough for Toronto.

Boston top two lines just tore them up. So I think you have to take that into consideration. Marner had Muzzin on his blue line.
I think they were pairing the 3rd pairing with the 1st line in order to try to help it. That isn't going to work.

Last night Marner put on a show! He's going to get PAID!

I actually didn't know Marner was on the PK. Has he been on it all year? Did I miss that?!?! His year would be incredible if that were true. 94 points and still defensively responsible enough to be on the PK?!

That Nylander trade is awful. Gudas is a #5 defenseman. If the Leafs trade Nylander it will be for immediate help on the blue line for a 20 minute plus per night defenseman. You can also say the Leafs need to make a trade for cap reasons which gives the team they are trading with more leverage, however unless there is just one team that wants him (there isn't) that leverage decreases significantly, because they don't need to trade with YOU. If you play hardball they go with the next suitor.

NyLaNdEr HaD a GoAl LaSt NiGhT....He'S a PgG PlAyOfF PlAyEr. It StArTs WiTh PrOvOrOv?!?!?!?! NyLaNdEr Is ElItE

what the hell are you even talking about

marner had a shorthanded goal last night. I assume hes asking if he was playing 5v4 5v5 and 4v5 all year

I think everyone outside of Toronto knows he is going to get paid. I would say Leaf fans are naive that he won't but I think it's more so they are praying he takes less so they can keep their roster intact.

Well Marner is probably better than Matthews. But just because Marner is better than Matthews.....why should Marner make more? Marchand makes 6.1m. Draisaistl 8.5m. Kucherov who was one year away from UFA is getting 9.5m starting next year. Yep I know that the Marner and his agent will make the Matthews comparison , but the Leafs will be making league wide comparisons.

Well Dubas set the market so I don't see why Marner would take anything less than $11 when he is the best player they have and he knows it.

Are Toronto fans willing to admit Matthews 11.5 is an overpayment yet?

They never will.

I said when it was signed. I couldn't believe Dubas was smiling so much at the press conference (and the Nylander press conference too).

I've used the term, "hometown premium". Don't know the Leafs paid so much. Now I don't think it's all on Dubas's doing, the Leafs have lots of smart guys in their management team. It was a group decision. Now why they paid so much?.....I don't get it.

If Leafs don't win the cup this year there not going to be able to have enough depth around those contracts to have a chance to win for a while. They are going to have to wait 3-4 years for the Cap to go up to add more pieces. By then Matthews and Marner's 5 year deals(assuming Marner gets a 5 year as well which is what i have heard was there plan) will almost be up and looking for raises. Which is why i don't get the 5 year deal idea at all. Acting like its taking a discount. If the contract had to be for 11.5 it should have been 7-8 year deal.

The first time I saw them play, Matthews got his 4 goals, but Marner worked his ass off. Told all the old Toronto fans who were there cheering for Matthews that Marner was going to be the better of the two. Still hold to that today. Kid is an amazing talent.

Some of us already have, from the very beggining : https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1079047

Thats totally fair. But do you expect him to get more than Point and Rantanen? Because I have not seen anyone saying Point or Rantanen will get anywhere near what people are suggesting he'll get and they both deserve more than him based on their production.

Its only TML players that deserve being paid x2 ( or offer-sheeted ) for what they should be according to this site users. Unfortunatelly Dubarelli made us ( using logic and league comparables ) all look like fools with 5 x 11,634M

It doesn’t matter what Point or Rantanen get. Dubas set the market for being a TML. Marner is comparing himself to Matthews and in his mind and his agents mind he is better and I have to agree.

My point exactly

ahhhh, ok.
The comparison I was making was full game though.

In general they used him in his own end, and he flipped the ice.



It always looks worse the 1st year after it's signed because it's the largest percent of the cap it's ever going to be. You have to wait 3-4 years to really tell.
I really don't think it's that bad.

yeah, but the problem is that its only 5 year deal. so you wait 4 years for it to not be that bad and then he's up for another raise in one more year.