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Marners Contract by the Numbers

Créé par: tomkinoo
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 7 févr. 2019
Publié: 7 févr. 2019
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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First I'm going to use points per game on ELC vs % of cap

Nylander - 135PTS - 185GP = 0.73 pts/g - 6.962 AVV / 79.5 CAP = 8.77% of cap
Matthews - 179PTS - 183GP = 0.98 pts/g - 11.634 AVV / 83 CAP = 14.02% of cap

Marner - 191PTS - 207GP = 0.92 pts/g

If we want the pts per game ratio to % percentage of cap

Nylander - 0.73 / 8.77 = 0.083
Matthews - 0.98 / 14.02 = 0.070

Using Nylander's ratio - % of cap = 11.08 --> 9.196 AVV
Using Matthew's ratio - % of cap = 13.14 --> 10.906 AVV

Using the average of the two, which is fair because Marner isn't a center, but he's also a one of a kind winger - 12.11 % of cap --> 10.051 AVV

As an elite winger comparison, Kane got 11.09 % of the cap on a 5 year deal.

12.11 % of cap could either be for 5 or 6 years, I will calculate both just to see the difference.

I'm going to use Chris Johnston's tweet that speculates the AAV for an 8 year contract for Matthews as a reference to see how the term affects the AAV. Part of me believes the leafs organization actually leaked this number to calm the fan base about the 5 year term.

Here's the tweet - https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1092859349473640452

5 year - 11.643 AAV / 83 CAP = 14.02%
8 year - 13.8 AAV / 83 CAP = 16.63%

That's a 0.87 % increase per year

5 year - 11.643 AAV
6 year - 12.359 AAV
7 year - 13.081 AAV
8 year - 13.8 AAV

Doing the same exercise with Marner's 12.11% of cap we got earlier...

First column will be for 12.11 % as the 5 year number, second as the 6 year number

5 year - 10.051 AAV - 9.329 AAV
6 year - 10.773 AAV - 10.051 AAV
7 year - 11.496 AAV - 10.773 AAV
8 year - 12.217 AAV - 11.496 AAV

I think the second column is more realistic if you consider Kane's 11.09% of the cap on a 5 year deal ( 9.205 AAV with a 83 CAP ).

Personally I'd rather the 6 x 10.051 to stagger the contracts and to leave more room for the Johnsson/Kapanen contracts.

*** Reminder that cap crunchs with talented young players are a good thing ***
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7 févr. 2019 à 14 h 52
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Kudos for the analytics you put into this! applaud
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7 févr. 2019 à 14 h 56
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Ridiculously well thought out.

You might have to come back to this to see how close you are.
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7 févr. 2019 à 14 h 59
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So...this is interesting work...I like what you did to show a statistical justification for a reasonable range...my biggest concern is that Marner doesn't look at himself as

Nylander < Marner < Matthews

he sees

Nylander < Marner = Matthews

So I think your numbers will be what Toronto is hoping to forecast since they value Matthews more as a goalscoring centre….but I would tack $500-$600k on to each range to account for the negotiation aspect with Marner's camp
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7 févr. 2019 à 15 h 4
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Kudos for the analytics you put into this! applaud


Quoting: swinny
Ridiculously well thought out.

You might have to come back to this to see how close you are.


I think you nailed it, excellent job, you should do this for a living as either GM assistant or an agent.
WOW, that is amazing.
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7 févr. 2019 à 15 h 13
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I think you nailed it, excellent job, you should do this for a living as either GM assistant or an agent.
WOW, that is amazing.


Thank you, honestly I've only started deep diving into contracts AAVs after the Nylander contract was announced, but I originally thought between 6.3 AAV and 6.8 AAV was fair for Nylander. After looking into in further though, it's not a bad contract, the league is changing a lot and 9.196 % of the cap like I calculated above isn't far off from the league standard for players of his caliber . Gaudreau was 9.25 %, Pastrnak was 8.89, for reference
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7 févr. 2019 à 15 h 30
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An insightful and well thought out Leafs ArmChair-GM, this is so refreshing to see.
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7 févr. 2019 à 16 h 44
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Excellent job on comparing the Nylander/Matthews contracts and the upcoming Marner deal. Certainly an agent will be looking at these. The Leafs seemed to boxed themselves into "this the way we do things" corner. IMO the Leafs had their agenda and didn't look at league wide comparables as much as other organizations do.
IMO Nylander should have been closer to Larkin or Teravainen. Matthews 6% more than the the third highest NHLer And Marner...shouldn't the Kucherov or even Pasterak deals be somewhat comparables?
But the Leafs management went right or wrong to wrap up at least two of young players with subjectively "hometown premier contracts". Not every Leaf RFA will afforded the same consideration,
8 févr. 2019 à 3 h 38
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Very well put together, I'll be coming back to this when the official extension gets announced
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