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Toronto Maple Leafs
9 juin 2021 à 0 h 45
Sujet:
Mitch Marner Appreciation Post
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bieksa_for_coachs_corner</b></div><div>trade marner. last time i checked the shanaplan cares more about winning a playoff series than ppg</div></div>
sure, I'm not completely against the idea of trading him, but I think we should give him and the core one more chance to figure it out. Before this year's playoffs can we confidently say we actually iced a playoff ready team? All the teams that met Boston or Washington had awful defense and inconsistent goaltending, and then this year and last we had horrible injury luck
Im as frustrated as everyone else, but we should give the core at least one more chance
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Toronto Maple Leafs
9 juin 2021 à 0 h 17
Sujet:
Mitch Marner Appreciation Post
These are the only players that have averaged above 1.10 PTS/GAME over the last 3 seasons
Player GP P P/GP
Connor McDavid 198 318 1.61
Leon Draisaitl 209 299 1.43
Nikita Kucherov 150 213 1.42
Nathan MacKinnon 199 257 1.29
Brad Marchand 202 256 1.27
Artemi Panarin 190 240 1.26
Patrick Kane 207 260 1.26
David Pastrnak 184 224 1.22
Sidney Crosby 175 209 1.19
Mitchell Marner 196 228 1.16
Mikko Rantanen 168 194 1.15
Auston Matthews 190 219 1.15
Jonathan Huberdeau 206 231 1.12
Steven Stamkos 177 198 1.12
Evgeni Malkin 156 174 1.12
Would you trade any of these players if you were a contender?
Of course his CAP HIT should be considered, so using the cost per point tool on this site, I took all forwards expiring UFA standard contracts that scored more than 20 points and using a python script found that his cost per point fell into the 65 percentile group, alongside these names.
PLAYER AGE TYPE EXPIRY CAP PER_P PER_P_PERCENTILE
Marner, Mitchell 23 Stnd UFA 10903000 109149 65
Kane, Patrick 32 Stnd UFA 10500000 108647 65
Tatar, Tomas 30 Stnd UFA 5300000 107723 65
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan 27 Stnd UFA 6000000 108710 65
Bonino, Nick 32 Stnd UFA 4100000 105769 65
Niederreiter, Nino 28 Stnd UFA 5250000 105451 65
So yes he may be a little overpaid, but he is just 23 and still improving year over year
So the next time you see someone on this site flaming Marner as if his contract is a burden, keep these stats in mind.
For those that'll say it's not all about points, Marner is one of the most effective penalty killers in the league and is always put out in the dying minutes of games to protect leads.
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Armchair-GM
8 juin 2021 à 23 h 3
Sujet:
Lots of stuff
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kous</b></div><div>Not everyone When you have such a large fan base your going to have a large population with varied opinions
And again this is a FANTASY board filled with WHAT IF type posts. Its supposed to be fun and encourage dialogue.
NO one can deny what a great hockey player he is. I would say he is the best pure playmaker in the world right now. The only knock on him is he has a slightly high cap hit.</div></div>
Agreed. I think a lot of GMs in the league would do Marner for Tkachuk too. Tkachuk's cap hit is actually not much better considering hes expiring RFA (aka no UFA years bought). If he expected 7 mil on a bridge deal as a player that has never cracked a point a game, I think Flames fans are in for some disappointment next season when he's asking for 9+ and realize his cap dollar paid per point is higher than Marners
I think you might have gone a little over board by adding Magiapane, but I do agree there should be sweetener from Calgarys end
disclaimer: we are talking hypotheticals
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Armchair-GM
5 juin 2021 à 9 h 56
Sujet:
An interesting idea but leafs wont do it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hockeyfanatic05</b></div><div>So what you just said is he is a 100 point player if you round up? Got it.</div></div>
damn you're petty
Forum:
Armchair-GM
5 juin 2021 à 0 h 52
Sujet:
An interesting idea but leafs wont do it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hockeyfanatic05</b></div><div>You're calling Marner a 100 point player when hes had 0 100 point seasons. And in his 5 seasons, only has had 1 season over 70 points.</div></div>
2 of his most recent (aka matured as an athelete) seasons have been shorten because of the pandemic. This past season, on an 82 game season he was on pace for 99.89 points, sue us for rounding up. His last full 82 game season, at the age of 22 years old, put up 94 points. gtfo
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Armchair-GM
5 juin 2021 à 0 h 45
Sujet:
An interesting idea but leafs wont do it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WhereArtTLuongo</b></div><div>Literally never hit 100 points, "he's a 100 point player."
What would they think of next</div></div>
math, we didn't think of it, we just use it
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Armchair-GM
5 juin 2021 à 0 h 43
Sujet:
An interesting idea but leafs wont do it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hairyberry</b></div><div>I know Marner just whiffed in the playoffs but come on man he's a 100 point player, Tkachuk is like a 50 point guy at this point. You're overvaluing your own guy</div></div>
completely agree, ignore these sens fans
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Armchair-GM
26 mai 2021 à 13 h 54
Sujet:
Oilers Fix
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Welcome to CapFriendly! Sometimes it's not too friendly.
Which would you rather do:
1. Give up this year's first to have Seattle take on James Neal; or
2. Pay $1,916,667 per year for four years to buy him out?</div></div>
I think it would take a team more than a first to take on James Neal's contract. Toronto had to give a 1st for 1 year of 6 mil for Marleau...
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 juill. 2019 à 18 h 40
Sujet:
Toronto Maple Raptors DeRozan Type Trade
Most teams don't have the luxury of having their AHL team in the same city. Not a big deal for Toronto to do an emergency call up for a game or two and carry a 22 man roster.
Also Doughty is one of the worst contracts in the league. Great player but if he continues to play like he did last season he's not worth more than 8 mil, awful trade. Output vs Cap hit is everything in todays NHL
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 juill. 2019 à 12 h 52
Sujet:
Just End This Madness
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BrandonDubinskyGOAT</b></div><div>Everyone knows anglophones and francophones have a strained relationship</div></div>
of course, and you're feeding the fire with comments like that.
And I disagree about Gauthier, he's the most under the radar Leaf player I can remember.
You must listen to a lot of Don Cherry and day time radio
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Armchair-GM
6 juill. 2019 à 12 h 46
Sujet:
Just End This Madness
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BrandonDubinskyGOAT</b></div><div>because he’s French</div></div>
wtf man
Forum:
Armchair-GM
28 mai 2019 à 14 h 55
Sujet:
Bored but i like it
Should have traded for Phaneuf
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
21 mai 2019 à 12 h 9
Sujet:
DUBAS VERY BAD
Subban can't even make the Marlies line up atm
Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 mai 2019 à 9 h 1
Sujet:
Rangers fans talk to me
Interesting idea. Deals like this are hard to gauge value, mainly because not many of them have happened, but we'll see what rangers fans have to say though...
Forum:
Armchair-GM
3 mai 2019 à 12 h 38
Sujet:
realistic Leafs team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hockey101</b></div><div>The lower the salary for Marner the longer the contract term. Six year would yield $11m plus. Max term length would yield lower. Kapanen and AJ are not signing that cheap for three years. Interesting trade with NYR though, but DeAngelo is favored in NY and a needed RD. With Fox in, Pionk is easiest to trade. Mikheviev as second line is a big guess.</div></div>
<a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1024463">https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1024463</a>
6 x 10.5 is actually on the higher end, especially if you factor in position and goals vs assists
Forum:
Armchair-GM
28 avr. 2019 à 15 h 29
Sujet:
Team Greater Toronto Area
Elite: GTA
Top Tier: BC, Ontario
Respectable: Quebec, Manitoba
Other teams would get trampled in the tourny
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
28 avr. 2019 à 13 h 33
Sujet:
Québec
Did a team for each province a few months ago. La belle province was surprisingly one of the weaker provinces, considering population
Broke up Ontario into team GTA, team rest of Ontario. Team GTA still ended up being the strongest team out of all the provinces
team gta - <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/179856">https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/179856</a>
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Armchair-GM
27 avr. 2019 à 22 h 32
Sujet:
Leafs 2019-2020 and Thoughts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>But that's my point regarding Heed. If has a UFA he's only a 2m the Leafs have seriously hurt their defence by trading Zaitsev. But though I would like to keep Nylander, it's really a cap issue. I just don't see how the Leafs can keep some many high price forwards and really go so cheap on defence and be as good as this year....which wasn't enough.</div></div>
I didn't do it above, but I would trade Kapanen for an upgrade on d. Package him with a prospect to get some help. Maybe even Kapanen, Prospect or Brown, and Kadri if it was for a top 4 d and a 3rd line center in return
Just didn't do it in the post because people just seem to focus on the trades of AGMs, ignoring the rest
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 avr. 2019 à 22 h 26
Sujet:
Leafs 2019-2020 and Thoughts
Also worth mentioning, a GMs reputation is pretty important, especially his reputation amongst the players. Wouldn't be a good look for Dubas to trade Nylander after saying publicly he wouldn't, and after just signing a 6 year contract with him 6 months ago
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 avr. 2019 à 22 h 12
Sujet:
Leafs 2019-2020 and Thoughts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>:shakehead :shakehead I never understand this logic. Expect a team to take Zaitsev and his 4.5m and somehow the Leafs are able to sign Hainsey for 1m and Heed for under a 1m. If Heed is a competent NHLer he gets way more than 1m. Wouldn't Dallas be much better off signing Heed and Hainsey for 4m total instead of taking Zaitsev if all three players are NHL competent, never mind Hainsey and Heed getting paid properly. So though Zaitsev is close go 4.5m player his salary and term doesn't make him a practical trade without taking money back in trade.
I can see Brown being traded but the Leaf don't save that much in cap space by trading him, because you still have pay his replacement.
I'll just never understand why so many are afraid of trading Nylander and his 7m cap hit, instead of skirting around the edges with Zaitsev, Brown trades.
Sorry about the rant...but I just think these Zaitsev trades are so impractical.</div></div>
You definitely have some good points here. Hainsey would probably not sign for 1 mil x 1 year, my point is that its the only contract I would sign him too, otherwise we find somebody else in free agency that cost between 1.5-2.5 mil. As for Heed, 1m-1.5m is probably realistic for a guy that gets scratched a lot. But San Jose definitely undervalues him and has major cap issues in the offseason too, so I don't think they'll be able to resign him.
The focus of the post really wasn't about the trades, more of what the end result of all the offseason might look like. I realistically have no idea what Zaitsev's trade value is on the trade market, but I do think it's higher than a lot of people on this site think.... But I do want to get rid of him
As for Nylander, I'll die on the hill defending him, I'd rather trade Kadri than him. I'm just positive we haven't seen it all from him yet.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 avr. 2019 à 11 h 57
Sujet:
Cap and build
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DirtyDangles</b></div><div>Sorry, meant Pesce.
My point is their combined point totals mean nothing. They are 2 separate players. You aren’t getting a top pairing RHD on a fantastic contract for 2 middle 6 wingers.</div></div>
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to win hockey games you need to score more goals than the opposing team. So forget these "middle six", "top pairing" terms. Johnsson and Kapanen put up goals and points, and are also going to be on extremely team friendly deals next year. I'd take 40 goals over a solid defensive defenceman anyday.
Just mentioning it again, 40 goals was in their rookie sophomore years, next year they have the potential for 50+, that's way more valuable than a shutdown defencemen imo
You can play team defence, goals are hard to come by though
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Armchair-GM
27 avr. 2019 à 11 h 50
Sujet:
Gaudreau
Gaudreau, Matthews , Bracco woould be dirty
Babcock would probably play them 16 minutes a night though
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Armchair-GM
27 avr. 2019 à 11 h 46
Sujet:
Cap and build
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DirtyDangles</b></div><div>How does players combined point totals mean anything? Slavin is a top pairing shut down D man. Those are harder to come by than 2 middle 6 wingers.</div></div>
who mentioned slavin. We are talking Johnsson + Kappy for Pesce. Why wouldn't we talk about Johnsson's and Kappy's combined value in a trade that involves both of them??? Am I talking english
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Armchair-GM
27 avr. 2019 à 11 h 30
Sujet:
Cap and build
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>Hard no from Carolina</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DirtyDangles</b></div><div>People need to start realizing that Pesce is a #2 D man.</div></div>
You guys must be kidding, Johnsson and Kapanen is 87 points combined... 40 goals. In their rookie/sophomore seasons. Together their cap hit won't be over 6 million, try to find me a 80+ point player that makes less than 6 million
Go look at all the players that scored more than 80 points this season, and then tell me you wouldn't trade Pesce for them. Or better yet, all the players that scored 40 goals
Also, SDA is playing on the growlers right now ...
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Armchair-GM
24 avr. 2019 à 12 h 38
Sujet:
Leafs
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